Why Didn't the Universe Always Exist?

[Pogo]

Wrt social sciences, they may deal with the subjective, but they do it in an objective practice,

By religious subjective practice, it means not dealing with reality via concepts, but becoming one with reality with no conception at all.

This is an excellent example of meaningless woo.
Makes you feel good, so good for you, study some soft science and you might even learn why.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Show us evidence of a spirit and we can have a conversation, until then this is just woo.

Do you understand what the concept of subjective is meant to represent, you must still your mind to realize it, And even then, it is not the ego self that experiences reality, for it is synonymous with thought, it is soul.

 

[Pogo]

Math like language is conceptual, reality is being represented by numbers and letters as a symbolic representation of the real, but the real they represent will be forever separate from the symbols. In my religious practice for example, a mind in the state of non-conceptualization is the goal. When it is achieved, reality is present as it is, there is no math and language conceptualization of it as in objective learning, it is subjective and out of this world.

So when one is one with the oneness of all that is, one loses interest in the conceptual representation of reality as the real thing is so awesome beyond conceptual understanding.

As I explained to gnostic, science deals indirectly/objectively with reality, religion practice is subjective union with reality, each has its purpose,

No math is a formal logical system based on agreed upon rules. That it relates to what we perceive as reality has nothing to do with concepts or symbols. That it seems to correspond to "reality" is why we study it and use it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

This is an excellent example of meaningless woo.
Makes you feel good, so good for you, study some soft science and you might even learn why.

Ah ha, the emotional child emerges. Religious practice is for the more mature mind.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No math is a formal logical system based on agreed upon rules. That it relates to what we perceive as reality has nothing to do with concepts or symbols. That it seems to correspond to "reality" is why we study it and use it.

For heaven's sake, math is conceptual!

 

[Pogo]

There is no direct evidence of a singularity, period.

Though there is at least a reason through observation and mathematics to posit one, unlike everything you are proposing. LOL

 

[Pogo]

Do you understand what the concept of subjective is meant to represent, you must still your mind to realize it, And even then, it is not the ego self that experiences reality, for it is synonymous with thought, it is soul.

I understand that you have absolutely nothing that could be considered objective.
Thus all you have is woo.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Though there is at least a reason through observation and mathematics to posit one, unlike everything you are proposing. LOL

Religion is not science, reason does not come into religious subjective practice, it is non-conceptual.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I understand that you have absolutely nothing that could be considered objective.
Thus all you have is woo.

But when you feel love, that is not conceptual, perhaps you have never experienced it. Sad if so, it is not woo.

 

[Pogo]

Ah ha, the emotional child emerges. Religious practice is for the more mature mind.

Still had the appropriate gif available.
Religious Practice for the mature mind.

L:earn something about religion.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Still had the appropriate gif available.
Religious Practice for the mature mind.

L:earn something about religion.

Actually that does capture the emotional child quite well, appropriate yes?

 

[gnostic]

How can the mind conceptualize when it is in a state of non-thinking, theta and delta waves only, no alpha and beta?

Neuroscience isn’t my thing.

But you are making claim, so as claimant it is your responsibility to demonstrate your claims about these brain waves, are in any way relevant.

 

[Pogo]

For heaven's sake, math is conceptual!

No, math is formal logic, that we find relations to reality is its conceptual application.
The math for the expansion of the universe is formal and the measurements agree with it.
What it means like expanding balloons or inside vs outside are just human concepts that seem to have correlation.

 

[Pogo]

For heaven's sake, math is conceptual!

It is taught that way to make it simple, but not if you study it seriously.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Neuroscience isn’t my thing.

But you are making claim, so as claimant it is your responsibility to demonstrate your claims about these brain waves, are in any way relevant.

From memory, so when you are awake and conceptualizing/thinking, the mind is in Beta, say 15 to 40 hz.
Day dreaming is Alpha 8 to 14 Hz
Dreaming and meditation Theta 4 to 7 Hz
Dreamless sleep and deep meditation 1 to 3 Hz

 

[gnostic]

Wrt social sciences, they may deal with the subjective, but they do it in an objective practice,

By religious subjective practice, it means not dealing with reality via concepts, but becoming one with reality with no conception at all.

You do realise, that psychological treatments of patients, are given 75%-90% subjectively. That because it inv listening to the patients, and giving advice that are often subjective.

 

[Pogo]

Religion is not science, reason does not come into religious subjective practice, it is non-conceptual.

I will agree with "reason does not come into religious practice" subjective is rather redundant.

 

[Pogo]

But when you feel love, that is not conceptual, perhaps you have never experienced it. Sad if so, it is not woo.

No but claiming it is some spirit in the sky is.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It is taught that way to make it simple, but not if you study it seriously.

Look, if your brain is firing neurons, it is conceptualizing. You can't do math without firing neurons in your brain.

On edit. Changed can to can't

 

[Pogo]

Neuroscience isn’t my thing.

But you are making claim, so as claimant it is your responsibility to demonstrate your claims about these brain waves, are in any way relevant.

Just low frequency EM waves due to brain activity. Totally physical as far as anybody knows.