Why Didn't the Universe Always Exist?

[gnostic]

Sorry, but Atheism is not comical, it is a sad state.

There you go again, with the "atheism".

It has nothing to do with atheism.

What's really sad is you, being incapable to distinguish between what is atheism and what is science.

Atheism have no position regarding to any animal biology or consciousness. You still using strawman arguments and you are still equating atheism with strawman. You are tiresome.

What this recent discussion have been, has to do with your personal belief and the science behind consciousness (anatomy & physiology of the brain and sensory nervous systems).

You want to ignore the sciences, that's fine, as no one would expect you to accept the biological and medical sciences regarding to consciousness & awareness. That's your choice.

It is also your choice to believe the religion you follow.

But you acting like a creationist, where you want to mix science & religion together, through disingenuous tactics, of redefining terms with your own baseless meanings, to exhaustively repeating the same questions already answered.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Claiming that you understand biology and the showing that you do not by the questions that you ask is a rather silly thing to do.

I use my right-hemisphere as well as the left in a more balanced way than atheists, consciousness cannot arise from non-consciousness.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Please, no more BS.

Atheist speak.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yeah, that does not really help you. He appears to have written hardly anything and he may have had a degree, but he did not seem to do to much with it.

Use your right hemisphere, look for context instead of shooting from the left.

• Ph.D. University of Rochester. 1961 Theoretical Nuclear Physics.
  Thesis Advisor: Prof. Robert E. Marshak
• Associate Professor of Physics, Texas A&M University, 1969-1973.
• Professor of Physics, Texas A&M University, 1973 to 2011.
• Professor Emeritus, Texas A&M University, 2011 to present.
• Fellow, American Physical Society. Awarded in 1973 for research in nuclear physics.
• Funding: Department of Energy, 1976-1984, “Intermediate Energy Nuclear Theory”
  Lifebridge Foundation. 1999-2002, “Interdimensional Research”
  Private Funding, 2012-present, “Electron PK Experiment”

Dr. Ronald Bryan – Consciousness Experiments

Professor Bryan was a Fellow of the American Physical Society awarded for research in nuclear physics. At Texas A&M he received a Distinguished Teaching Award from the Association of Former Students, participated in the Faculty Senate, and in 2011 was granted emeritus status. Ronald Arthur Bryan, PhD. - Callaway-Jones Funeral & Cremation Centers

 

[gnostic]

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. It amuses me how atheists baulk at anything that indicates there is more to existence than the parts, have you heard the saying, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts? You want to see a part perform to believe, rather than see the performance of the whole.

So be it, that is your left-hemispheric part conditioning, you will not understand the whole until your mind is opened to the whole.

You do know that you are projecting, don't you?

First, you tell me that I am not looking at the molecules, atoms and smaller particles, that I am focusing too much on the biology, eg the brains, nerves, organs, tissues, cells, etc.

Now, you are telling me, I am not focusing on the whole, you saying "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts".

Like I said in my previous reply, you are playing cat-and-mouse game, and moving the goalpost.

This double standard, and bait-and-switch tactics, is really dishonest, and beneath you.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There you go again, with the "atheism".

It has nothing to do with atheism.

What's really sad is you, being incapable to distinguish between what is atheism and what is science.

Atheism have no position regarding to any animal biology or consciousness. You still using strawman arguments and you are still equating atheism with strawman. You are tiresome.

What this recent discussion have been, has to do with your personal belief and the science behind consciousness (anatomy & physiology of the brain and sensory nervous systems).

You want to ignore the sciences, that's fine, as no one would expect you to accept the biological and medical sciences regarding to consciousness & awareness. That's your choice.

It is also your choice to believe the religion you follow.

But you acting like a creationist, where you want to mix science & religion together, through disingenuous tactics, of redefining terms with your own baseless meanings, to exhaustively repeating the same questions already answered.

Science as it is taught is very left-hemisphere, religion as it is practiced is right-hemisphere, balance allows science to be seen in the light of religious understanding. Atheists can't do that.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You do know that you are projecting, don't you?

First, you tell me that I am not looking at the molecules, atoms and smaller particles, that I am focusing too much on the biology, eg the brains, nerves, organs, tissues, cells, etc.

Now, you are telling me, I am not focusing on the whole, you saying "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts".

Like I said in my previous reply, you are playing cat-and-mouse game, and moving the goalpost.

This double standard, and bait-and-switch tactics, is really dishonest, and beneath you.

The subject being discussed is where did consciousness come from in the context of evolution/creation, not a description of contemporary biological understanding of animal consciousness.

Do you understand?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I use my right-hemisphere as well as the left in a more balanced way than atheists, consciousness cannot arise from non-consciousness.

I doubt that. It sounds like more BS from you. You appear to be using neither. How would you prove the claim that you just made?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Use your right hemisphere, look for context instead of shooting from the left.

• Ph.D. University of Rochester. 1961 Theoretical Nuclear Physics.
  Thesis Advisor: Prof. Robert E. Marshak
• Associate Professor of Physics, Texas A&M University, 1969-1973.
• Professor of Physics, Texas A&M University, 1973 to 2011.
• Professor Emeritus, Texas A&M University, 2011 to present.
• Fellow, American Physical Society. Awarded in 1973 for research in nuclear physics.
• Funding: Department of Energy, 1976-1984, “Intermediate Energy Nuclear Theory”
  Lifebridge Foundation. 1999-2002, “Interdimensional Research”
  Private Funding, 2012-present, “Electron PK Experiment”

Dr. Ronald Bryan – Consciousness Experiments

Professor Bryan was a Fellow of the American Physical Society awarded for research in nuclear physics. At Texas A&M he received a Distinguished Teaching Award from the Association of Former Students, participated in the Faculty Senate, and in 2011 was granted emeritus status. Ronald Arthur Bryan, PhD. - Callaway-Jones Funeral & Cremation Centers

Yes, he was a loon. His own publications demonstrate that. Do you know where a physicist would publish if he actually believed what he was writing? Think about it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Atheist speak.

No, that is what any rational person would ask you, atheist or not.

Guess what? A person does not have to be an atheist to be rational.

 

[danieldemol]

How many times do I have to tell you that I understand the biology, my question is, since you believe that sub-atomic particles, atoms, molecules, etc., have no consciousness, then no matter how they could come together, there could never be consciousness. But there is, so that means there is some intrinsic awareness in all things.

It's a bit like saying since hydrogen has no wetness and oxygen has no wetness no matter how they come together there could be no wetness but there is so that means there is some intrinsic wetness in all things (ie pure nonsense in my view).

 

[RestlessSoul]

It's a bit like saying since hydrogen has no wetness and oxygen has no wetness no matter how they come together there could be no wetness but there is so that means there is some intrinsic wetness in all things (ie pure nonsense in my view).

“Wetness” is a property of water. What chemical compound is consciousness a property of?

 

[gnostic]

Science as it is taught is very left-hemisphere, religion as it is practiced is right-hemisphere, balance allows science to be seen in the light of religious understanding. Atheists can't do that.

More senseless claim.

Ok. Then I will resort to your illogical way thinking, then:

If you’re right about religion being practice, using the right hemisphere, and that atheism is the question about the question of religious validity in regards to the existence of a deity, then it would stand to reason that atheism is also using the right side of their brains, too, the right hemisphere.

As atheism, have nothing to do with science, then atheism would fall on the same side of their brains brain as religion.

btw, Ben, this right vs left sides of brains, that you believe to be true, is nothing more than urban myths created by psychologists from the 1940s to the 1980s. More recent studies, demonstrated that this myth, isn’t true.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I doubt that. It sounds like more BS from you. You appear to be using neither. How would you prove the claim that you just made?

I don't need to prove anything, but I like to help atheists and others in need of help in understanding what they are in the context of all that exists.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, he was a loon. His own publications demonstrate that. Do you know where a physicist would publish if he actually believed what he was writing? Think about it.

Have you no respect for your superiors, does disgraceful behavior like that come with being an atheist.

He was getting private funding, I suspect the CIA or some such. You are a babe in the woods when it comes to esoterica, the military/intel are very much into it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It's a bit like saying since hydrogen has no wetness and oxygen has no wetness no matter how they come together there could be no wetness but there is so that means there is some intrinsic wetness in all things (ie pure nonsense in my view).

I have no idea what you are talking about?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

More senseless claim.

Ok. Then I will resort to your illogical way thinking, then:

If you’re right about religion being practice, using the right hemisphere, and that atheism is the question about the question of religious validity in regards to the existence of a deity, then it would stand to reason that atheism is also using the right side of their brains, too, the right hemisphere.

As atheism, have nothing to do with science, then atheism would fall on the same side of their brains brain as religion.

btw, Ben, this right vs left sides of brains, that you believe to be true, is nothing more than urban myths created by psychologists from the 1940s to the 1980s. More recent studies, demonstrated that this myth, isn’t true.

If you do not understand that existence itself is deity, then you are lost, at least until you realize the truth/

 

[gnostic]

If you do not understand that existence itself is deity, then you are lost, at least until you realize the truth

I understand “existence” that if it exists, it could be independently verified; “verified” as in with evidence and/or experiments, & with data. Those are the only objective criteria to verifying “existence”.

Evidence are something where existence can be observed, tested.

Without such verification, (that if it is coming from me) then it is taken on faith in belief, or when it comes from a third-party (whether this 3rd-party from another person or a book or a concept or a philosophy or a religion, etc), then it based on faith on a hearsay.

But you are associating “existence”, with “deity” or “god”, especially if you are equating it with nature or with the universe, then I would see it as a superstition.

What is a deity?

Deity or god is a supernatural being, supposedly have power over nature and people, in which people might believe, worship or follow.

The existence of a deity is something that cannot be verified.

That to me, is a religion based on superstition.

I know you will say, that you need not show evidence for existence of such a deity, then if that were the case, then I reject your claim.

If you have the “truth”, so you say, then why should anyone accept your say-so?

 

[danieldemol]

“Wetness” is a property of water. What chemical compound is consciousness a property of?

Conciousness is not a property of any singular chemical compound, it is an emergent property of the interaction of the electro-chemical reactions of a nervous system.

But the point - that things can combine in ways that cause emergent properties not intrinsic to the sub-component matter - is evidently demonstrated in my view.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I understand “existence” that if it exists, it could be independently verified; “verified” as in with evidence and/or experiments, & with data. Those are the only objective criteria to verifying “existence”.

Evidence are something where existence can be observed, tested.

Without such verification, (that if it is coming from me) then it is taken on faith in belief, or when it comes from a third-party (whether this 3rd-party from another person or a book or a concept or a philosophy or a religion, etc), then it based on faith on a hearsay.

But you are associating “existence”, with “deity” or “god”, especially if you are equating it with nature or with the universe, then I would see it as a superstition.

What is a deity?

Deity or god is a supernatural being, supposedly have power over nature and people, in which people might believe, worship or follow.

The existence of a deity is something that cannot be verified.

That to me, is a religion based on superstition.

I know you will say, that you need not show evidence for existence of such a deity, then if that were the case, then I reject your claim.

If you have the “truth”, so you say, then why should anyone accept your say-so?

You want evidence to prove existence, just take a look, listen, feel, taste, and smell. or does not that count because it is subjective? If you mean 'existence' in the sense of consciousness, then just keep an open mind (right-hemisphere) and start a dream diary, and note synchronicities and prescience in the daily events in your life. Knock and the door will be opened, seek and you shall find, it really works, 'existence' will 'hear' you.