Why do Americans Hate Democracy?

[Sonofason]

Another racist on this board! How wonderful!

Lies and ad hominem attacks are useless on me. Try putting forth a counter argument, rather than trying to justify the depravity of certain members of society.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Lies and ad hominem attacks are useless on me. Try putting forth a counter argument, rather than trying to justify the depravity of certain members of society.

It's not a lie if it's true. You are saying that black people are more violent and prone to lying than white people are. You apparently don't accept arguments that point to a social reason for this, so what reason are you thinking is causing that?

 

[Draka]

You know, if the shoe fits...

Sonofason, you have done nothing in this thread to convince anyone of anything other than you have an inherent issue with black people. You prejudge them, stereotype them, denigrate them. You classify them into your premade little defined box for easy snubbing. Do you not know what racist means?

 

[Draka]

I have to wonder if he has any idea how many on this board he has spoken to that are black. That he has basically called depraved criminals. Without knowing one thing about them.

 

[Sonofason]

It's not a lie if it's true. You are saying that black people are more violent and prone to lying than white people are. You apparently don't accept arguments that point to a social reason for this, so what reason are you thinking is causing that?

No, I have shown that there are government studies that show that blacks are four times more likely than whites to be convicted for rape. I have shown that blacks are 8 times more likely to be convicted for committing the crime of theft. And it was you who has made it very clear that blacks are more prone to lying than whites.

Now I don't think it is my responsibility to determine the cause why blacks tend to commit more rapes and more robberies. My argument has been satisfied simply by showing that they do. I really don't care why it's true.

If you really want my explanation, I will give it. I believe that all crime is a result of a lack of the high moral standards of Christian living.

 

[Sonofason]

I have to wonder if he has any idea how many on this board he has spoken to that are black. That he has basically called depraved criminals. Without knowing one thing about them.

My dear friend, I have called no individual a criminal. I call rapists and thieves criminals. I have the greatest respect for all persons who are not criminals. I have no respect for rapists and thieves.

 

[Sonofason]

When the lies and accusations and adhominem attacks start flying, it is an indication that you've won the debate.

 

[Draka]

Well, when those things appear we will see.

You have been shown numerous times why your stance is off and even biased, you just refuse to accept it.

You want to knock down pieces and sully the board and declare victory, go ahead. Knock yourself out. Nothing we haven't seen before.

 

[Sonofason]

Well, when those things appear we will see.

You have been shown numerous times why your stance is off and even biased, you just refuse to accept it.

You want to knock down pieces and sully the board and declare victory, go ahead. Knock yourself out. Nothing we haven't seen before.

I do not appreciate being called a racist. If you don't like the facts I've presented, then I suggest you go do something to change the facts. Otherwise, I suggest you accept the facts that I've stuck in front of your face. We are all biased my friend. And there isn't anything you can do about that, except perhaps to present a believable argument that could change someone's bias. And that you have failed to do.

 

[Draka]

I presented video social experiments that show you people's reactions to whites committing crimes and blacks. Even the mere perception that a black could commit a crime. Whites are simply overlooked more, blacks are singled out more. And it's not because they do more, it's perception. That was shown. Just because you don't want to accept that doesn't make it less of a fact. And if you don't want to be perceived to have a racist stance about something then perhaps you should analyze how you come off to people.

 

[Sonofason]

I presented video social experiments that show you people's reactions to whites committing crimes and blacks. Even the mere perception that a black could commit a crime. Whites are simply overlooked more, blacks are singled out more. And it's not because they do more, it's perception. That was shown. Just because you don't want to accept that doesn't make it less of a fact. And if you don't want to be perceived to have a racist stance about something then perhaps you should analyze how you come off to people.

What you have not shown me at all is that blacks are convicted for rapes committed by whites. What you have not shown me at all is that blacks are convicted of robberies committed by whites. While I might agree that the population at large might be more inclined to believe that a black committed the crime as opposed to a white, I would suggest that there is a good reason for that, and that would be the statistics for crime in America.

 

[Draka]

Round and round we go. There simply is no getting through to you no matter how many times this is explained. I think I want off this demented merry-go-round now. It's dizzying and a bit sick. You want to choose willful ignorance on the matter, have at it. I'm dizzy and done.

Oh I suppose you can go ahead with your false declaration of "winning" said debate if you'd like. You will anyway.

 

[Sonofason]

Round and round we go. There simply is no getting through to you no matter how many times this is explained. I think I want off this demented merry-go-round now. It's dizzying and a bit sick. You want to choose willful ignorance on the matter, have at it. I'm dizzy and done.

Oh I suppose you can go ahead with your false declaration of "winning" said debate if you'd like. You will anyway.

The truth is sometimes a hard pill to swallow.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No, I have shown that there are government studies that show that blacks are four times more likely than whites to be convicted for rape. I have shown that blacks are 8 times more likely to be convicted for committing the crime of theft. And it was you who has made it very clear that blacks are more prone to lying than whites.

Now I don't think it is my responsibility to determine the cause why blacks tend to commit more rapes and more robberies. My argument has been satisfied simply by showing that they do. I really don't care why it's true.

If you really want my explanation, I will give it. I believe that all crime is a result of a lack of the high moral standards of Christian living.

What? I didn't make it clear that black people lie more! Anyway, your attitude towards black people is no big surprise.

 

[Sonofason]

What? I didn't make it clear that black people lie more!

You're right, please accept my sincere apologies.

You see, I had said, "The closer one draws near to God, the closer God draws near to them, and the less likely one is to have such pathetic and depraved inclinations."

And Draka responded:

Interesting, given that the percentage of blacks being Christian is usually found to be much higher than the percentage of whites being Christian."

By this statement, Draka was attempting to show that I was mistaken.

I suppose he thought it strange the fact that blacks are more likely to commit certain crimes, while being more religious. To which I was simply pointing out that he was making a statement about the honesty of many blacks that claim to be Christians.

But I had already explained this. You see,
A Christian is a follower of Christ.
A person that follows Christ obeys Christ.
If a person does not obey Christ,
Then that person is not following Christ.
If a person is not following Christ,
that person is not a Christian.

Therefore any person that claims to be following Christ, who is also a thief, or a rapist is also a liar.

Anyway, your attitude towards black people is no big surprise.

I have no particular negative attitude towards black people. But I do recognize the value of statistics.

 

[Sonofason]

You know, if the shoe fits...

Sonofason, you have done nothing in this thread to convince anyone of anything other than you have an inherent issue with black people. You prejudge them, stereotype them, denigrate them. You classify them into your premade little defined box for easy snubbing. Do you not know what racist means?

When blacks commit fewer rapes and robberies than whites, I will no longer feel compelled to bring attention to the fact that they commit more rapes and robberies than whites.

There is nothing racist about revealing factual statistics.

 

[Sonofason]

You know, if the shoe fits...

Sonofason, you have done nothing in this thread to convince anyone of anything other than you have an inherent issue with black people. You prejudge them, stereotype them, denigrate them. You classify them into your premade little defined box for easy snubbing. Do you not know what racist means?

Racism - poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race.
Racism - belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I have never, nor would I ever treat any person poorly or violently because of their race.
I have never, nor would I ever believe that race is the reason that blacks commit more rapes than whites. However, blacks are indeed more likely to commit the crime of rape than whites.

Do you believe that blacks are discriminated against because they are black?
Do you believe that blacks that are discriminated against are more likely to exhibit violent behavior?
If they do, then one reason that they are more violent might be because they are discriminated against, and the reason they are discriminated against is because they are black, and so therefore we can see that the reason they are more violent is because they are black. It may not be innate to ones race to be more violent, but a race can indeed be more violent as a result of their race. It is an indirect relationship, but it is a relationship nonetheless.

I, like you, would like to see this trend reversed.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Of course, you're right. There may be nothing innate with the marijuana smoking that causes thievery, but there may be something innate with the marijuana smoker that causes thievery, and as I have shown earlier, there are statistics that show this to be the case. Marijuana smokers are more likely to be thieves than non marijuana smokers

Sort of like how Republicans are more likely to be racists than non-republicans? Because that is the statistic found after studies. Nothing about being a republican is innate to racism but those that are in the republican party themselves may have it innate in them.

Though another statistic I would like to see is what is the crime rate of smokers vs non-smokers (of marijuana) in Colorado where it is legal and not a crime? Then again with Alcohol consumption.

 

[Sonofason]

Sort of like how Republicans are more likely to be racists than non-republicans? Because that is the statistic found after studies. Nothing about being a republican is innate to racism but those that are in the republican party themselves may have it innate in them.

Well, I don't know if republicans are more likely to be racists or not, but I highly doubt that. Perhaps you could share some evidence to support this pathetic claim of yours.

"To begin with, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists, in contrast to the pro-slavery Democratic Party. It was Abe Lincoln, a Republican President, who led the North to victory in the Civil War and freed the slaves while the Democrats did everything in their power to keep black Americans down."
Racist Democrats vs. Colorblind Republicans | Human Events

"Fast forward to 1898 in Wilmington, N.C., where Democrats murdered black Republicans so they could stage, “the nation’s only recorded coup d’etat.” Then, in 1922, Democrats in the Senate filibustered a Republican attempt to make lynching a federal crime."
Racist Democrats vs. Colorblind Republicans | Human Events

"Every political party has its racists, but the notion that Republicans are more racist than Democrats or any other party is based on nothing more than a constant drumbeat of unsubstantiated innuendo and assertions by Leftists, constantly echoed by the liberal media. It is a classic example of a Big Lie that becomes "true" simply by virtue of being repeated so many times."
A Short History of Democrats, Republicans, and Racism

"Most major American city governments have been run by liberal Democrats for decades, and most of those cities have large black sections that are essentially dysfunctional anarchies. Cities like Detroit are overrun by gangs and drug dealers, with burned out homes on every block in some areas. The land values are so low due to crime, blight, and lack of economic opportunity that condemned homes are not even worth rebuilding. Who wants to build a home in an urban war zone? Yet they keep electing liberal Democrats -- and blaming "racist" Republicans for their problems!"
A Short History of Democrats, Republicans, and Racism

Though another statistic I would like to see is what is the crime rate of smokers vs non-smokers (of marijuana) in Colorado where it is legal and not a crime? Then again with Alcohol consumption.

Yes, it would be interesting to see whether or not pot smokers are less likely to become thieves if they're allowed to smoke their dope.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I knew there was a reason I stayed out of this thread, and the last two pages very quickly reminded me why.