Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?

[Sonofason]

No, that is the point. We were talking about late term abortions ("partial birth abortions") and when and why they are used (in the case of severe medical emergencies).

I'm talking about all abortions. And I know for a fact that late term abortions take place. And I don't really care about the women who would prefer to kill their children instead of themselves dying. I'm perfectly fine if women die giving birth. There is nothing wrong with dying. But there is sometime wrong with killing innocent children...even to save your own life. Honestly, a woman who would kill her child just to live isn't worthy of the life she has.

 

[idav]

You have no clue. Kids are getting abortions just because they don't want kids. They could carry the child to term and have those children, but they kill them because you want them to, and you let them.

I know what's going on thanks. I don't let them thanks again, but I would allow the woman to make the choice, it ain't my body. Religion should have nothing to do with the decisions laws make. You don't even care whether the woman lives or dies so your hardly sympathetic to life, for being a pro-lifer.

 

[Sonofason]

I know what's going on thanks. I don't let them thanks again, but I would allow the woman to make the choice, it ain't my body. Religion should have nothing to do with the decisions laws make. You don't even care whether the woman lives or dies so your hardly sympathetic to life, for being a pro-lifer.

Will you allow me to make a choice to kill all democrats? I don't think so.
I did not say I am not sympathetic. I said there is nothing wrong with dying. Dying is not immoral. Killing innocent unborn children is immoral. It is wrong. It is evil. Dying is a fact of life. Nothing wrong with it at all. Killing innocent people is evil.

 

[idav]

Will you allow me to make a choice to kill all democrats? I don't think so.

You know very well thats not what we are talking about. You want to debate that abortion is murder I get that but that is clearly a strawman.

I did not say I am not sympathetic. I said there is nothing wrong with dying. Dying is not immoral. Killing innocent unborn children is immoral. It is wrong. It is evil. Dying is a fact of life. Nothing wrong with it at all. Killing innocent people is evil.

Letting a dying fetus kill the mother would be immoral. Taking the baby out (abortion) and allowing it to die naturally is not immoral. I , don't think a person aborting a fetus at 3 months is murder, god does it all the time, its called spontaneous abortion. You want to call god a murderer while your at it.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Letting a dying fetus kill the mother would be immoral.

Unfortunately, women are second class citizens to these religious thugs.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm talking about all abortions. And I know for a fact that late term abortions take place. And I don't really care about the women who would prefer to kill their children instead of themselves dying. I'm perfectly fine if women die giving birth. There is nothing wrong with dying. But there is sometime wrong with killing innocent children...even to save your own life. Honestly, a woman who would kill her child just to live isn't worthy of the life she has.

You joined a conversation I was having with another poster which was about late term abortions. If you're talking something else, then I'm not sure why you responded to my post.

Maybe women don't want to die from a pregnancy gone wrong. Maybe they already have children that need their mother to be alive and to take care of them. Has that thought ever occurred to you? It's not YOUR choice to make medical decisions for any other person other than yourself.

As noted several times, late term abortions are done in cases of severe emergencies - very often when the fetus has DIED and needs to be removed from a woman's uterus. These are horrible instances where extremely difficult decisions have to be made by people who were fully expecting to give birth to a healthy baby. You really think a woman should have to die as well, in such situations??

Do you call yourself a "pro-lifer?" If so, I wonder why that is.

 

[columbus]

Dying is not immoral. Killing innocent unborn children is immoral.

If aborting your baby is just sending a little soul off to Heaven, without risking Eternal Damnation, I don't see what is wrong with abortions.
As a nontheists I see it as depriving the baby of the only chance for Life they have, so I oppose it.

But there isn't even anything Scriptural about the subject. The people who wrote the Bible didn't think humans were really alive until they drew a breath.
Tom

 

[Scuba Pete]

The people who wrote the Bible didn't think humans were really alive until they drew a breath.

It worse than that...

Deuteronomy 21:18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. NIV

Talk about an 'intervention'!!! I wonder if @Sonofason believes in this. His intolerance towards anyone who doesn't believe what he believes strikes me a Biblical literalist. Here's another...

Exodus 21:15 “Anyone who attacks their father or mother is to be put to death. NIV

How does this compare to abortion? Here we have a sentient being murdered for being a problem child.

 

[james dixon]

I.,,.,.,.,.,,.

Question, while Hillary Clinton is being voted for and not Bill Clinton... do you believe Bill Clinton is also being indirectly elected?

I believe Hilary and Bill Clinton both are true 100% Americans who truly care for all citizens of this great country of ours; The United States Of America

Trump cares for no one but himself. Well maybe he cares for his son, they are very much alike.

I'm voting the Democratic ticked all the way down the line.

btw my Father was a devoted Republican

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe Hilary and Bill Clinton both are true 100% Americans who truly care for all citizens of this great country of ours; The United States Of America

Trump cares for no one but himself. Well maybe he cares for his son, they are very much alike.

This argument reminds me of a fundie friend.
He claims that Hillary hates America, & wants it to fail.
But Trump loves it, & wants it to be great again.

These arguments aren't right.
They're not even wrong.

 

[idav]

This argument reminds me of a fundie friend.
He claims that Hillary hates America, & wants it to fail.
But Trump loves it, & wants it to be great again.

These arguments aren't right.
They're not even wrong.

The Hillary part is just wrong. The Trump part would be safer to say, Trump dislikes America and wants it to be great again. That would be going by his own words, though I think he just uses the scorched earth rhetoric as political leverage more than anything cause people lap it up.

 

[Lighthouse]

I believe Hilary and Bill Clinton both are true 100% Americans who truly care for all citizens of this great country of ours; The United States Of America

Trump cares for no one but himself. Well maybe he cares for his son, they are very much alike.

I'm voting the Democratic ticked all the way down the line.

btw my Father was a devoted Republican

I respect your own mindset on those beliefs.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Hillary part is just wrong. The Trump part would be safer to say, Trump dislikes America and wants it to be great again. That would be going by his own words, though I think he just uses the scorched earth rhetoric as political leverage more than anything cause people lap it up.

My point was that such claims about what lurks in a
candidate's soul are empty, no matter which side is taken.
They're entirely unverifiable or disprovable, which is why
I stole W Pauli's joke. So you're wrong to say it's wrong.
It's neither right nor wrong....just a silly leap of faith.

 

[Sonofason]

You know very well thats not what we are talking about. You want to debate that abortion is murder I get that but that is clearly a strawman.

We do well to remember the question we were asked.
Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?

Surely you know by now that I believe that abortion is wrong. I believe it is murder. It is a fact that abortions are being performed that are being paid by our tax dollars, my tax dollars. It doesn't matter to me so much that there are not as many late term murders, as there are murders being committed against innocent unborn human beings in that are in their first trimester of life. I am against all murder. I don't really care how old a human being is we all have the same right to live...Equal Rights.

Listen, whether you want to go find some hack to murder your child, or if you want to let the most respected doctor in the world murder your child, I don't want to pay for it!

Letting a dying fetus kill the mother would be immoral.

I am not unreasonable. There are times when a mothers life and the baby's life are in jeopardy, real medical emergencies, and in those cases it is the obligation of the physician to attempt to save both lives. If a doctor can only save the mother and not the child also, that is a tragedy. An unintentional, unavoidable accidental death is not
not an intentional killing.

Taking the baby out (abortion) and allowing it to die naturally is not immoral. I , don't think a person aborting a fetus at 3 months is murder, god does it all the time, its called spontaneous abortion. You want to call god a murderer while your at it.

I think that depends on the intent. Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. There are a few very important elements to this definition that are important.
1. It is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. That is to say, at the present time, there is a type of premeditated killing of one human being by another that is lawful, and there is a type of premeditated killing of one human being by another that is unlawful. Clearly this aspect of the definition is dependent on what the courts have decided over the years. In other words, it is decided by us. Human beings for the most part like to believe that they are moral beings. And so they believe and therefore recognize that there are situations when the premeditated killing of one human being by another can be justified or is justifiable. If a person is indeed a moral human being, I would love to see his justifiable condition when intentionally killing another human being is justifiable.

2. It is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. If it is to be considered murder, it must be premeditated. If the killer has considered committing an act that would cause the death of some particular human being or group of human beings, and then performs the act that causes the death of that human being or group of human beings, that person has performed a premeditated killing of a human being.

Is it murder? I believe it is murder. I want the courts to rule that it is murder. I want you to recognize that it is indeed murder. And I don't want to pay for it.

Clinton said "unborn children simply do not have any Constitutional rights, which would include the right to life."

But it is a fact that unborn children are human beings. They have human rights.

In an interview with Face the Nation host John Dickerson last fall, Clinton opposed any legal limits on late-term abortion.
In the final presidential debate, Hillary Clinton said she supports late-term abortions.
Hillary Clinton not only supports taxpayer funded abortions but supports abortion on demand.

The Hyde amendment prevents federal funding of abortion through Medicaid, except in cases where the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother or is the result of rape or incest. Hundreds of thousands of people are alive today because of the HYDE amendment.

Democrats like Hillary Clinton want to change this. "In past years, the Democratic platform vaguely referenced public funding, saying access to abortion should be legally permitted without regard to a woman’s “ability to pay.” The new platform approved last month in Philadelphia, however, is explicit: "We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment.""

"The understanding of the primacy of conscience that underlies the Hyde Amendment is now under attack. Hillary Clinton, who has called abortion a “fundamental human right,” has made opposition to the Hyde Amendment a key part of her campaign. For the first time since the passage of Hyde, the Democratic party’s 2016 platform is calling for its repeal."
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-funded-abortions-trump-most-americans-do-not

Why do American's hate Hillary so much?

Do you really have to ask?


I think its time we abort Hillary Clinton.

 

[idav]

We do well to remember the question we were asked.
Why do Americans hate Hillary so much?

Surely you know by now that I believe that abortion is wrong. I believe it is murder. It is a fact that abortions are being performed that are being paid by our tax dollars, my tax dollars. It doesn't matter to me so much that there are not as many late term murders, as there are murders being committed against innocent unborn human beings in that are in their first trimester of life. I am against all murder. I don't really care how old a human being is we all have the same right to live...Equal Rights.

Listen, whether you want to go find some hack to murder your child, or if you want to let the most respected doctor in the world murder your child, I don't want to pay for it!



I am not unreasonable. There are times when a mothers life and the baby's life are in jeopardy, real medical emergencies, and in those cases it is the obligation of the physician to attempt to save both lives. If a doctor can only save the mother and not the child also, that is a tragedy. An unintentional, unavoidable accidental death is not
not an intentional killing.




I think that depends on the intent. Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. There are a few very important elements to this definition that are important.
1. It is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. That is to say, at the present time, there is a type of premeditated killing of one human being by another that is lawful, and there is a type of premeditated killing of one human being by another that is unlawful. Clearly this aspect of the definition is dependent on what the courts have decided over the years. In other words, it is decided by us. Human beings for the most part like to believe that they are moral beings. And so they believe and therefore recognize that there are situations when the premeditated killing of one human being by another can be justified or is justifiable. If a person is indeed a moral human being, I would love to see his justifiable condition when intentionally killing another human being is justifiable.

2. It is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. If it is to be considered murder, it must be premeditated. If the killer has considered committing an act that would cause the death of some particular human being or group of human beings, and then performs the act that causes the death of that human being or group of human beings, that person has performed a premeditated killing of a human being.

Is it murder? I believe it is murder. I want the courts to rule that it is murder. I want you to recognize that it is indeed murder. And I don't want to pay for it.

Clinton said "unborn children simply do not have any Constitutional rights, which would include the right to life."

But it is a fact that unborn children are human beings. They have human rights.

In an interview with Face the Nation host John Dickerson last fall, Clinton opposed any legal limits on late-term abortion.
In the final presidential debate, Hillary Clinton said she supports late-term abortions.
Hillary Clinton not only supports taxpayer funded abortions but supports abortion on demand.

The Hyde amendment prevents federal funding of abortion through Medicaid, except in cases where the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother or is the result of rape or incest. Hundreds of thousands of people are alive today because of the HYDE amendment.

Democrats like Hillary Clinton want to change this. "In past years, the Democratic platform vaguely referenced public funding, saying access to abortion should be legally permitted without regard to a woman’s “ability to pay.” The new platform approved last month in Philadelphia, however, is explicit: "We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment.""

"The understanding of the primacy of conscience that underlies the Hyde Amendment is now under attack. Hillary Clinton, who has called abortion a “fundamental human right,” has made opposition to the Hyde Amendment a key part of her campaign. For the first time since the passage of Hyde, the Democratic party’s 2016 platform is calling for its repeal."
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-funded-abortions-trump-most-americans-do-not

Why do American's hate Hillary so much?

Do you really have to ask?


I think its time we abort Hillary Clinton.

Abortion is definitely a touchy subject believe me I know. Even in looking at the issues, left vs right, abortion is the only one in which the country currently leans more right. So I am well aware of the arguments, which as I mentioned, I disagree with your opinion on. Not even so much that I disagree with the stance of abortion but rather, I disagree on subjecting women to my own personal bias.

I am for the Hyde amendment and Kain is/was as well. Abortion is more non-partisan than people realize however there are only religious sentimental arguments for it. The reality is that every conception is a random fluke and as such any birth can be treated as such, short of calling god a murderer for still births.

No it isn't a "fact" that fetuses have lawful rights as that of birthed human beings. Heck depending on who you talk to that would depend on the gender of the baby or depend on human population density.

Then you end it with pro abortion in regards to Hillary Oy vey!

 

[james dixon]

Surely you know by now that I believe that abortion is wrong. I believe it is murder.

I think that depends on the intent. Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. There are a few very important elements to this definition that are important.
1. It is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. That is

2. It is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
hundreds of thousands of people are alive today because of the HYDE amendment.

So in your own words abortion is "Murder"

I think its time we abort Hillary Clinton.

So then since you used the term "abortion" means "murder" then I must also assume you mean murder and abort in the same context. Therefore
I re-right yor post interchanging the terme you used

I think its time we {murder}/abort Hillary Clinton.

right or wrong?, you tell me -

 

[Sonofason]

You joined a conversation I was having with another poster which was about late term abortions. If you're talking something else, then I'm not sure why you responded to my post.

Maybe women don't want to die from a pregnancy gone wrong. Maybe they already have children that need their mother to be alive and to take care of them. Has that thought ever occurred to you? It's not YOUR choice to make medical decisions for any other person other than yourself.

As noted several times, late term abortions are done in cases of severe emergencies - very often when the fetus has DIED and needs to be removed from a woman's uterus. These are horrible instances where extremely difficult decisions have to be made by people who were fully expecting to give birth to a healthy baby. You really think a woman should have to die as well, in such situations??

Do you call yourself a "pro-lifer?" If so, I wonder why that is.

Murder is not a medical decision. Medical decisions involve actions to save lives, not to destroy lives. Abortions are not about saving lives. All abortions result in the killing of innocent human life. And we should never have to pay for that.

 

[james dixon]

.,.,,Abortions are not about saving lives. All abortions result in the killing of innocent human life. And we should never have to pay for that.

You should be promoting "adopt a newborn TODAY!!!!" and/or adopt one yourself -

 

[Sonofason]

If aborting your baby is just sending a little soul off to Heaven, without risking Eternal Damnation, I don't see what is wrong with abortions.
As a nontheists I see it as depriving the baby of the only chance for Life they have, so I oppose it.

But there isn't even anything Scriptural about the subject. The people who wrote the Bible didn't think humans were really alive until they drew a breath.
Tom

You do not know that aborting children results in "a little soul off to Heaven, without risk...
The Bible tells a different story.

Psalm 51:5. "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Psalm 58:3. "Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies".

Romans 3:22-23. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

And here is what the Apostle Paul had to say:
1 Corinthians 7:14. "For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy."

Do you see it? The Apostle Paul believed that a child is holy and acceptable to God if he has a believing mother, or a believing father. Do you really believe that it is safe to say that all unborn children go to heaven if murdered? Does being murdered wash away the filth?

Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”

Why would Jesus make such a statement? Is it really possible for us to hinder a child from coming to Christ? Does abortion hinder children from coming to Christ? Do you know the answer to these questions?

 

[Sonofason]

It worse than that...

Deuteronomy 21:18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. NIV

Talk about an 'intervention'!!! I wonder if @Sonofason believes in this. His intolerance towards anyone who doesn't believe what he believes strikes me a Biblical literalist. Here's another...

Exodus 21:15 “Anyone who attacks their father or mother is to be put to death. NIV

How does this compare to abortion? Here we have a sentient being murdered for being a problem child.

Yes, children that do not obey their mothers and fathers, that do not hearken to parents discipline deserve to be stoned to death.
Anyone who attacks his mother or father deserves to be put to death.

Now, I cannot advocate taking such actions in our society today. That would be illegal.