Why Do Christians Feel The Need To Bother People?

[Ashoka]

Caring enough to bother people is better than indifference.

If by caring you mean street preachers screaming at me and calling me an abomination...I'm good with not being cared for.

 

[Brian2]

So you're saying that the Christians who assume they have a duty to spread the word are wrong?

No I'm just differentiating between the gospel and forcing people to follow Christian morality.

Democracies should follow the will of the people, with certain limits. When a religious group takes over political power and impose their beliefs onto society it is no longer a democracy. What the republicans did to ensure they got a majority of far right extremist judges was unethical and bad faith. It was all legal, but it was bad faith, and going against the ethical norms. It's just bad politics more than just democracy.

It was a dirty trick by Trump to get the Republican vote again imo.

Really, what atheist ideas are you referring to? And where are they being promoted?

I'm not being specific but if atheists are in politics (and I presume they are) then some of what they want and propose would be specifically atheist probably. That's just democracy.
Just because the USA is mostly "Christian" is probably who most people in US politics are probably Christians.

The problem there is no set "Christian morality". Liberal Christians disagree on many moral issues from conservative Christians. In the case of abortion and other issues like book banning it is only conservative Christians imposing their moral beliefs, and many moderate and liberal Christians disagree. But the conservative Christians are aligning with republicans and imposing unpopular ideas onto all of society.

It sounds like it is not necessarily Christian views that you are against but conservative right wing views.

Really, here's an extraordinary claim, do you have any examples and evidence?

No not really.

 

[Brian2]

So, you say there are anti Christian laws qualified with “(or so I hear)” and when asked for an example of one of these laws, you can’t give one, but say there is no doubt plenty of them?

If you wish to be taken seriously, you’ll have to do better than that.

Is it possible all these “laws” you “hear” about are in your imagination?

It is possible that I said "anti Christian laws" when the laws are not specifically anti Christian but just happen to look that way in the US which was so pro Christian and now the Christian influence is being slowly pushed aside.
Rolling back that tide is probably what the conservative right wing wants to do but as Christian writers have said, the right wing just uses Christianity in it's desire to get power.

 

[Brian2]

If by caring you mean street preachers screaming at me and calling me an abomination...I'm good with not being cared for.

I don't blame you.
Their motivation may not be that they care for people.

 

[Ashoka]

I don't blame you.
Their motivation may not be that they care for people.

Most likely. Like I said, honestly, if a Christian wants to share with me, that's totally fine. It's just this stuff I object to.

 

[F1fan]

No I'm just differentiating between the gospel and forcing people to follow Christian morality.

OK, the Gospel doesn't;t say that Christians should force society to follow (some versions of) Christian morality, but we see evangelical Christians doing this. So you think they are wrong?

It was a dirty trick by Trump to get the Republican vote again imo.

And conservative Christians made it happen, along with our EC voting system.

I'm not being specific but if atheists are in politics (and I presume they are) then some of what they want and propose would be specifically atheist probably. That's just democracy.
Just because the USA is mostly "Christian" is probably who most people in US politics are probably Christians.

So you were incorrect in saying there was atheist ideas being imposed in society. But we do see far right Christian ideas being imposed, and that is a problem.

It sounds like it is not necessarily Christian views that you are against but conservative right wing views.

I'm opposed to religious people using politics to impose their beliefs onto society as a whole. Freedom allows Christians to follow their own moral options, but when these unpopular ideas are imposed as federal policy, that crosses a line.

 

[England my lionheart]

Whether it's at an LGBT event, a Pagan festival, or something as innocuous as a comic-con....street preachers abound. Christians harass women and other people who can have babies at clinics all the time.

This is just me asking you. Why do you guys feel the need to bother us so much? Can't you just leave us alone? Whatever happened to free will? Most of us grew up Christian, we know the Bible, we know about the "risks" we are taking. We non-Christians just want to live. Yes, technically in America it's protected under free speech. But can't you take a hint? We don't care. We want to live our lives.

Leave us alone.

(and yes, I know #notallchristians but it's enough of y'all for it to be a problem. Maybe you should address the issue at hand.)

It’s a duty for proselytising religions to point out the benefits of joining their club,not all but enough,they can point out what proselytising can achieve,Africa the Middle East and South America are good examples but hey they know best because someone else told them so.

 

[wellwisher]

Whether it's at an LGBT event, a Pagan festival, or something as innocuous as a comic-con....street preachers abound. Christians harass women and other people who can have babies at clinics all the time.

This is just me asking you. Why do you guys feel the need to bother us so much? Can't you just leave us alone? Whatever happened to free will? Most of us grew up Christian, we know the Bible, we know about the "risks" we are taking. We non-Christians just want to live. Yes, technically in America it's protected under free speech. But can't you take a hint? We don't care. We want to live our lives.

Leave us alone.

(and yes, I know #notallchristians but it's enough of y'all for it to be a problem. Maybe you should address the issue at hand.)

It has to do with how parents try to teach their children, through their own parallel life experiences. All parents were young once, and many in their youth did similar fad things. The parents lived their version of going into adulthood and now have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight. When you are young, you go into generational fads with eternal optimism, until the infatuation or fad ends.

I was part of the hippie generation. This was new and we took crap from the status quo. That fad had good ideas, but in the end so many became Hippy-crates and became worse than the "man" they said was the problem; Pelosi. What people think is cutting edge today was already done in the past. Religions go back thousands of years with human nature still the same. It is useful to learn from mistakes but sometimes a map of the generational repeat, makes it easier to learn sooner than later.

What type of personality defines themself based on their approach to sex? It is like a team uniform or handshake that dehumanizes you for the team. There is more to people than a specialty focus from a fad or team. This is part of how the build the ego; choice. However, be careful not to lose deeper parts of yourselves.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Whether it's at an LGBT event, a Pagan festival, or something as innocuous as a comic-con....street preachers abound. Christians harass women and other people who can have babies at clinics all the time.

This is just me asking you. Why do you guys feel the need to bother us so much? Can't you just leave us alone? Whatever happened to free will? Most of us grew up Christian, we know the Bible, we know about the "risks" we are taking. We non-Christians just want to live. Yes, technically in America it's protected under free speech. But can't you take a hint? We don't care. We want to live our lives.

Leave us alone.

(and yes, I know #notallchristians but it's enough of y'all for it to be a problem. Maybe you should address the issue at hand.)

It seems to me that a lot of this sort of behaviour is probably more about controlling existing members than it is about convincing outsiders.

Whether it's door-to-door proselytizers getting "no, thank you" over and over or anti-LGBTQ protestors at an event getting heckled and jeered at in return, the Christian gets continually rejected by society, which reinforces dependence on their church for acceptance.

 

[John D. Brey]

We are called to preach the Gospel to all nations so we can't just "leave people alone". People in free countries have a right to put their beliefs out there and many other groups do, as well. It used to be called the marketplace of ideas. There's groups I wish would shut up and keep their crap to themselves, but it's their right to "preach", too. There's more charitable ways to do this, though. The obnoxious behavior on behalf of some Christians is their own fault and they'll answer for it eventually.

The Catholic church used to be, and to some extent still is, the greatest organism this planet has ever created or seen arise (Will Durant). At one time it evangelized the world by going to the poor and down-trodden, helping to lift them out of poverty and lack of education (by feeding, clothing, and teaching, and starting schools) such that in a generation or two, the down-trodden of the society had become the most educated, the most productive, and as an ancillary of that, the richest people such that they eventually became the majority of those holding land, money, and power.

In those days they didn't bother with the atheists, pagans, and know-it-alls who ran things. They quietly, peacefully, worked behind the scenes to change things for the better.

There's an excellent book, by Harvard's Professor of Biological Evolution, The WEIRDest People in the World, that shows how Catholicism, and Christianity in general, once did it the right way. They quietly, peacefully, changed people's hearts from the inside out, not the outside in. They didn't preach to a dead and dying world that loves death, loves dying, loves sin, but to those outcasts from the world of the dead who, of their own freewill, sought out the church, or received help from the church, after which they often became members of the church.

There was an article in the news just days ago whereby a famous actor, playing the part of a righteous Catholic (Padre Pio), was so moved by the kind of evangelism the Catholic church once took part in, that while playing the role of the righteous Catholic, this famous actor himself converted to Catholic faith.



John

 

[Wildswanderer]

Whether it's at an LGBT event, a Pagan festival, or something as innocuous as a comic-con....street preachers abound. Christians harass women and other people who can have babies at clinics all the time.

This is just me asking you. Why do you guys feel the need to bother us so much? Can't you just leave us alone? Whatever happened to free will? Most of us grew up Christian, we know the Bible, we know about the "risks" we are taking. We non-Christians just want to live. Yes, technically in America it's protected under free speech. But can't you take a hint? We don't care. We want to live our lives.

Leave us alone.

(and yes, I know #notallchristians but it's enough of y'all for it to be a problem. Maybe you should address the issue at hand.)

Someone took away your free will by presenting thier opinion?

Maybe because they want to save you from a miserable existence?

Or save the lives of babies?

 

[Ashoka]

Someone took away your free will by presenting thier opinion?

Maybe because they want to save you from a miserable existence?

Or save the lives of babies?

1. Presenting an opinion looks like, "hey, this is what I believe." Not "You're an abomination and you're going to hell." That's when it becomes harassment and abusive. If I run in a church and start screaming about how much the Goddess loves them and that they have to believe in her (there is no hell in my faith, but all the same) I would be arrested and possibly undergo a mental evaluation. Yet, when a Christian does this by invading Pagan and LGBT spaces, they are praised and protected by law enforcement. That's not stating an opinion. That's harassment, as I said before.

2. I don't have a miserable existence. I'm quite happy and content with where my faith has taken me. In fact, I am the happiest I have ever been in years, because I am able to be my authentic self. It's liberating. I don't spend my days in fear of hell or a vindictive god anymore. I don't feel obligated to warn people about impending doom. I am at peace with myself, and when someone tries to disrupt that peace, I get angry.

3. No one is murdering babies. The phrase "murdering babies" is an extreme appeal to emotion.

 

[Wildswanderer]

1. Presenting an opinion looks like, "hey, this is what I believe." Not "You're an abomination and you're going to hell." That's when it becomes harassment and abusive. If I run in a church and start screaming about how much the Goddess loves them and that they have to believe in her (there is no hell in my faith, but all the same) I would be arrested and possibly undergo a mental evaluation. Yet, when a Christian does this by invading Pagan and LGBT spaces, they are praised and protected by law enforcement. That's not stating an opinion. That's harassment, as I said before.

2. I don't have a miserable existence. I'm quite happy and content with where my faith has taken me. In fact, I am the happiest I have ever been in years, because I am able to be my authentic self. It's liberating. I don't spend my days in fear of hell or a vindictive god anymore. I don't feel obligated to warn people about impending doom. I am at peace with myself, and when someone tries to disrupt that peace, I get angry.

3. No one is murdering babies. The phrase "murdering babies" is an extreme appeal to emotion.

Those are all your opinions. Other people have different opinions and have the right to express them in public.

 

[Ashoka]

Those are all your opinions. Other people have different opinions and have the right to express them in public.

Not when it's harassment.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Not when it's harassment.

What constitutes harassment is rather vaguely defined in my experience.
Was it harassment when the BLM movement used megaphones to shout at people?
If someone is physically assaulting you to get their point across then it's clear harassment.

 

[Kenny]

So, you say there are anti Christian laws qualified with “(or so I hear)” and when asked for an example of one of these laws, you can’t give one, but say there is no doubt plenty of them?

If you wish to be taken seriously, you’ll have to do better than that.

Is it possible all these “laws” you “hear” about are in your imagination?

Not really... and it also depends on what one defines as anti-Christian.

Certainly the redefining of marriage can be considered as anti-Christian. The current attempt to change the rules of Title-IX is anti-Christian and anti-parent. One could develop a list though you might not see it as such.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Not really... and it also depends on what one defines as anti-Christian.

Certainly the redefining of marriage can be considered as anti-Christian. The current attempt to change the rules of Title-IX is anti-Christian and anti-parent. One could develop a list though you might not see it as such.

Marriage was around before the NT decided what it was. The OT describes several types of marriage, generally regarding one man and his property, i.e., his wife, or wives if he could afford more, and his children.

 

[Kenny]

Marriage was around before the NT decided what it was. The OT describes several types of marriage, generally regarding one man and his property, i.e., his wife, or wives if he could afford more, and his children.

Aren't we talking about anti-Christian? Are your statements of the OT a NT concept? All they asked for were laws that were anti-Christian... I'm just enumerating some.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Aren't we talking about anti-Christian? Are your statements of the OT a NT concept?

Is the OT anti-Christian? Probably. Is the NT anti-Jewish? Probably. But not all of it is.

 

[Kenny]

Is the OT anti-Christian? Probably. Is the NT anti-Jewish? Probably. But not all of it is.

I'm not sure how you got from point a to point b.

They requested anti-Christian laws. I enumerated some. They didn't ask for a historical documentation of marriage.