Why do feminist women still expect men to pay for a date?

[ADigitalArtist]

Why do you think women are the ones who end marriages 70% of the time? Because legally, the price of getting divorced is FAR more severe for the male than for the female in the United States

This is a way oversimplification of how divorce works, imo. For example, in a divorce I would lose more money than my husband because I'm the primary earner. However, I would lose more if he was a domestic spouse with children because merging wealth and assets means the assets are equally belonging to the spouse even if they aren't working (and I say 'not working' by loosest definition because let's not downplay how much work being a domestic parent is please. It's a **** ton.) So no, the working spouse isn't losing more money because the money belongs equally to the spouse. If you don't want assets to be merged you shouldn't be getting married, because that's kind of the point.

In any case, knowing that, what would you change? Something that wouldn't leave a spouse vulnerable to being trapped in a relationship or destitute, I hope.

 

[roger1440]

What I have noticed among some feminists is that they want to be treated equal only when it works in their favor. A prime example is the National Organization for Woman. They want to be treated equal to men but are against the draft for women. You cannot pick and choose.

 

[MD]

I rarely always pay for stuff for any women. Since I'm poor, I use other traits and qualities to impress the girl like charm, wit and looks .

Paying for stuff is irrelevant in this day and age, unless you cover each other at alternate times.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

What I have noticed among some feminists is that they want to be treated equal only when it works in their favor. A prime example is the National Organization for Woman. They want to be treated equal to men but are against the draft for women. You cannot pick and choose.

NOW fought has fought both against an all male draft and for a draft which includes both men and women. Saying that compulsory service, if it exists at all, should not limit women's registration even to combat roles. The only people who filed against female draft and for male draft were 16 women not affiliated with NOW. Who argued religious reasons for abstaining from service pur a cultural selective pressure on women. WOMEN JOIN BATTLE ON ALL-MALE DRAFT

I'm a self-described feminist and I am against a draft of any kind, for men or women.

 

[Milton Platt]

I never thought of unequal average pay being a justification for men paying for women's drinks and/or dinner. But suppose the woman earns as much or more money than the man she is dating. If this is the case, and the woman still expected the man to pay her expenses, would she not be advocating for gender inequality?

It might depend upon who asks whom out....?

 

[Sunstone]

If I ask someone out, I expect to pay. If they ask me out, I expect them to pay. The only exceptions are if other arrangements are expressly made.

 

[Curious George]

If I ask someone out, I expect to pay. If they ask me out, I expect them to pay. The only exceptions are if other arrangements are expressly made.

If I go out, I expect to pay. It is the same with friends, family, and women. Don't mind if someone else pays, but I find it extremely distasteful to have to negotiate the bill.

 

[Politesse]

Since when is this even a "fact"? I don't know about you, but I haven't been asked to pay for a meal in years, by anyone other than my grandmother. It's not really considered socially acceptable to assume that someone else will pay for something, regardless of gender, unless they have themselves offered.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I find many feminist ideas and ideals to be little more than conversation fodder and hypotheticals when placed against the reality of human/gender dynamics and interaction.

I've never dated a girl/woman who wasn't clearly, openly, and verbally a feminist (in the modern, moderate sense), and I also have never dated a girl/woman who would have been impressed by me not paying for dinner. Nor, has it ever occurred to me not pay, freely, without a second thought.

Most people utilize ideals as components of a constructed self-identity, but their actions are mostly directed from more primitive and pragmatic drives.

 

[Politesse]

Honestly I am not very impressed by the "masculinity" of men who want to, essentially, be paid back for giving women an equal status they should have had in the first place. Wanting petty revenge for imagined slights is not how my father taught me to be a good man, but I suppose to each their own.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

NOW fought has fought both against an all male draft and for a draft which includes both men and women. Saying that compulsory service, if it exists at all, should not limit women's registration even to combat roles. The only people who filed against female draft and for male draft were 16 women not affiliated with NOW. Who argued religious reasons for abstaining from service pur a cultural selective pressure on women. WOMEN JOIN BATTLE ON ALL-MALE DRAFT

I'm a self-described feminist and I am against a draft of any kind, for men or women.

I too oppose the draft for either gender, as do the vast majority of people. I also oppose the selective service system. Of course, I signed up for selective service as required by law. I am confused as to why the cutoff of the age bracket for men being required to sign up for selective service is 25, as men do not begin to deteriorate in physical strength until the 30s or 40s. I am of the opinion that women should not be in combat roles for physical and psychological reasons (primarily because of the fact that women can become pregnant and serving in combat roles would be a serious concern for the health of a pregnant woman). Interestingly, I will likely be labeled a "sexist" for saying this, even though I am advocating for the enhanced protection of women.

 

[oldbadger]

Why is it that feminist women who claim to believe in gender equality still often expect men to pay for their dinner, even though they have already declared themselves to be entirely independent from men and absolutely not in need of any assistance from men, particularly with regard to finances? If they believe that they are truly and entirely not in need of men, and are entirely self-sufficient, why are they still demanding the man covers their expenses? Or, has the "feminist" movement, which originally focused on gender equality, now turned into a "female superiority" movement in which women who have now declared that they are equal to and not in any way in need of men, also demand special treatment from men?

Now then.....
Do you know what a sweeping-statement is?

I suppose some men are what we English call bums, not paying their way or fair share, and I guess that some women are bums as well.

But your OP is just 'Wubbish'!!!!

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I am of the opinion that women should not be in combat roles for physical and psychological reasons (primarily because of the fact that women can become pregnant and serving in combat roles would be a serious concern for the health of a pregnant woman). Interestingly, I will likely be labeled a "sexist" for saying this, even though I am advocating for the enhanced protection of women

Probably for the same reason women don't like to be told they must wear certain types of clothing 'for their own protection.' The risk should be theirs to assume. Not someone who has decided to be their protector.

I don't mind women in combat roles. Like everything their evaluation should be on ability not gender.

 

[Sunstone]

I Interestingly, I will likely be labeled a "sexist" for saying this, even though I am advocating for the enhanced protection of women.

If I told you that, "for your enhanced protection", you could not drink alcohol, drive a car, or shoot a gun because all three of those activities involve some measure of risk to you, would you deem me on your side, or rather opposed to you?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hmm... I'm not a feminist woman and I expect men to pay for dates.

Spoiler: Dates.

But then again I never had a date. Do women beat men on dates?

 

[Rational Agnostic]

If I told you that, "for your enhanced protection", you could not drink alcohol, drive a car, or shoot a gun because all three of those activities involve some measure of risk to you, would you deem me on your side, or rather opposed to you?

You have an interesting point, although I believe the analogy is flawed. Would you also argue that men above the maximum enlistment age should be in combat roles if they "want" to? In order to function effectively, the military has to exclude many people. Would you argue that 80 year old men should be allowed in combat as well?

 

[psychoslice]

Men paying all the time makes me think of prostitution, of course its not said, but its there.

 

[gnomon]

Why is it that feminist women who claim to believe in gender equality still often expect men to pay for their dinner, even though they have already declared themselves to be entirely independent from men and absolutely not in need of any assistance from men, particularly with regard to finances? If they believe that they are truly and entirely not in need of men, and are entirely self-sufficient, why are they still demanding the man covers their expenses? Or, has the "feminist" movement, which originally focused on gender equality, now turned into a "female superiority" movement in which women who have now declared that they are equal to and not in any way in need of men, also demand special treatment from men?

Is this really a thing? Do you have some statistics to back up your argument?

I don't think so.

I apologize up front. I'm so tired of unsubstantiated nonsense being presented as a worthwhile talking point when in fact.........

It's nonsense.

Yet it's so nice to see that the thread just simply ran with an unsubstantiated piece of nothingness like it was actually real.

Post it on the Onion next time.

And maybe everyone else will actually read an OP and ****ing think about it before they post utter horse****.

But hey, a needless thumbs up salute to posting nonsense in order to create a needless talking point.

Jesus effing Christ already. So many stupid fallacies in the OP but hey........let's just play pretend!

 

[Drolefille]

Because the patriarchy hurts men and misogyny can be internalized.

Also as noted, I'd like to see statistical evidence that such is common.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Men paying all the time makes me think of prostitution, of course its not said, but its there.

Yes; think about it. A man pays for his date/girlfriend/wife's drinks and meal, buys her expensive gifts and jewelry all of the time, etc. Buys her expensive birthday and Christmas presents. Are these just innocent random acts of kindness or are we (as men) doing this in the hopes of getting something in return? What might that "something" that we are hoping for be? Dating and marriage are prostitution in disguise, yet a man buying everything for his girlfriend/wife is culturally accepted, while prostitution is illegal in most areas. Makes no logical sense. In fact, when you think about it, is it not more honest to tell a woman up front what you are hoping for and then fork over the money and get on with it?