Why do gays want to get married?

[Me Myself]

Perhaps they want it blessed by God?

Or at least, publicly recognized as blessed by God by the regular community.

I know more than one gay guy who is sure God validates his union, even though the state/church doesn´t

 

[Father Heathen]

But anyway, this thread has gone on 12 pages and yet no rational, substantiated argument against gay marriage as been presented.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Several species mate for life, sounds like a marriage to me. Swans are one, Cardinals another.

Sex isn't really marriage, marriage is a ritual (which obviously is only symbolic) that addresses one into the family. Sex was part of the ritual though, during the time of Shakespeare and Julias Cesar and such.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

re:



Of course those 3 crimes harm others.

Incest - distorts the gene pool and creates imbeciles - bad for society.

Bestiality - Can bring animal diseases into the human population.

Drug abuse - Creates addicts, dealers, gangs etc..


there are exceptions of course to some of these.

I disagree with the drug one being bad but that's another topic irrelevant to this...

The two that you described, though, are bad for survival yes, but how is homosexuality bad for survival? What affect has it given on us?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

But anyway, this thread has gone on 12 pages and yet no rational, substantiated argument against gay marriage as been presented.

I'll admit, the "gays cannot produce" kind of still gets me, even though I know there are ways around that, many ways. If we were only looking forward to a progressing society, then yeah that'd totally be a factual argument.

 

[nnmartin]

Re: Signature - Mao Tse-Tung - 'Ideals are important, but reality is even more important'

For someone endorsing reality to be more important than ideals, you sure do like to impose your ideals onto reality.

Order needs to be maintained in society and also the World in general.

Ultimately this order has to override idealism.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Sex isn't really marriage, marriage is a ritual (which obviously is only symbolic) that addresses one into the family. Sex was part of the ritual though, during the time of Shakespeare and Julias Cesar and such.

I said mate for life. That is a marriage, not just sex. Marriage is not a ritual. There are rituals involved in marriage but the ritual doesn't define the marriage, the marriage defines the ritual. And if you don't think birds have rituals you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Me Myself]

I'll admit, the "gays cannot produce" kind of still gets me, even though I know there are ways around that, many ways. If we were only looking forward to a progressing society, then yeah that'd totally be a factual argument.

At contrair, the 7 billions of us need more non-producing people people.

This should be an argument in favour if any.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'll admit, the "gays cannot produce" kind of still gets me,

Why? Who gives a damn about that? Marriage is about commitment and devotion to the one you love. That's it. Squeezing out mewling snotlings is not the least bit important, and is something the world really doesn't need, anyway.

 

[Me Myself]

I said mate for life. That is a marriage, not just sex. Marriage is not a ritual. There are rituals involved in marriage but the ritual doesn't define the marriage, the marriage defines the ritual. And if you don't think birds have rituals you are sadly mistaken.

But then if you get a divorce, woudn´t you say you were "never married" because it wasn´t the mate for life?

I agree the intention of a marriage is (or should idealy be at least) to pick someone(/s) with which you will stay the rest of your life with, even if you cannot have sex with such partner I would also add.

I say people use rituals so to solidify this intention, but the ritual is also a vital part of it. If it was not, then the point of "we both decided, we are to be together from here onwatrds no matter what" would not feel as solid.

We need symbols and rituals (generaly) to solidify this intentions.

 

[nnmartin]

I disagree with the drug one being bad but that's another topic irrelevant to this...

The two that you described, though, are bad for survival yes, but how is homosexuality bad for survival? What affect has it given on us?

I've never said that homosexuality is bad for survival.

Also, I would be happy to discuss the drug issue on another thread if you feel like starting one and you will find I am way more tolerant there.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I said mate for life. That is a marriage, not just sex. Marriage is not a ritual. There are rituals involved in marriage but the ritual doesn't define the marriage, the marriage defines the ritual. And if you don't think birds have rituals you are sadly mistaken.

You mean like boyfriend and girlfriend? You adults can never understand us teens todays

The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife. - Marriage.

So to be legal they have to do that ritual (marriage is what they call it, or weddings) to make it official.

 

[waitasec]

I've never ...

replied to waitasec's last question....

:run:

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I've never said that homosexuality is bad for survival.

Then why relate it to the three that are?

Also, I would be happy to discuss the drug issue on another thread if you feel like starting one and you will find I am way more tolerant there.

Let's try this, bro!

 

[The Sum of Awe]

replied to waitasec's last question....

:run:

He skipped over a lot of questions

 

[Draka]

A pointless question as quite clearly a pig or ferret is not intelligent enough to have a marriage.

Not a pointless question to you as you were the one saying that marriage is natural and that the only reason other animals don't have marriage is that they are not intelligent enough. So I posed the hypothetical. IF they were intelligent enough then do you think they would have marriages? IF pigs were smart enough (and they do have the average intellect of a 3 y/o human child - btw, my 3 y/o daughter is quite smart so what might that say?) would they have marriages? Would Bonobo monkeys have marriages and what do you suppose their rights and laws would be governing marriage? I think those are fair questions as it is you who is making the claim that marriage is "natural".

I agree, but I never said anything about emotional feelings.

Adultery and monogamy issues I couldn't give two hoots about - the issue is same sex marriage - if a hetero can accept being a hetero then the same should apply to a homo .

there is no difference between a heterosexual and a homosexual other than the gender of the people they are attracted to and fall in love with. All other aspects of their lives are the same. So why have one set up for one group and not have it for the other?

As you keep saying - differences are good, therefore no need for a gay couple to want to be like a hetero one and copy their system of marriage.

Wait a second, who the hell says that heteros own the concept of marriage?

Equality respectful - when will I be able to earn $1000 per hour as a sexy fashion model? Never, if you really want to know - so where is the equality there?

Seriously? This is an argument you are trying to use? It is not your "right" to be a fashion model. No one has a "right" to be a fashion model. It is a job which is applied for. Marriage is not a job which is applied for. Marriage is a "right" which is automatically granted to people who are attracted to and fall in love with people of the opposite gender. Mary and Sam, by sheer virtue of being straight consenting adults, can walk into their county clerk office and get hitched and get legal recognition, responsibilities, and benefits associated with marriage. Mary and Samantha, however, are denied that exact same ability for no other reason than they are both women. They are denied a right granted to other couples in their exact situation for the mere fact that they are the same gender. That is discrimination and there is no logical reason to do so.

How about the 'I can do the whatever I like because other people do it too' or 'I deserve the same entitlement because I am me' . This destroys the fabric - people only think about themselves and this is evident by observing the spreading 'Culture of Me' around the Western world.

Never.

They deserve the same entitlements because they are human beings. It is simply not fair, nor right, to grant a right and the benefits attached to it to one group of people and deny it to another based on nothing more than the genders of the participants.

The whole argument about some "fabric of society" is insane. Please, describe this fabric and tell me how to tear it. What color is it? Does it fray at the edges? What is this fabric you claim that gay marriage is going to ruin? Because considering all the places which have gay marriage legal, as compared to the ones that don't, I think it must be a fabric that needs torn to shreds.

 

[painted wolf]

Gay marriage existed in America before it was America. It never stopped happening, it just stopped being recognized by the federal government. Now states are fixing that federal oversight.

wa:do

 

[Alceste]

Gay marriage existed in America before it was America. It never stopped happening, it just stopped being recognized by the federal government. Now states are fixing that federal oversight.

wa:do

About time!

 

[McBell]

Several species mate for life, sounds like a marriage to me. Swans are one, Cardinals another.

One wonders what kind of tax breaks they get...

 

[Desert Snake]

Same reason as anyone else, the tax breaks and the presents.