Why do God/s "hide" from disbelievers?

[Bird123]

There's only a couple problems with helping, though. You have to take into account that not everyone is missing something you have for them. So, when someone asks about god (in an RF forum no doubt) it isn't to ask you for spiritual information for the other's well-being. In other words, it's not a door we open for you give sacred knowledge unless we ask. It's deeply insulting for many people to address them and give them information "after" they have told you they will not benefit from it (and they know themselves more than you do). Without that level of courtesy and acceptance, in my opinion, your insights are genuine but they aren't useful.



But we've told you we already have our answers. Asking about god (or about a recipe or about what it's like to be in France) are not deep questions "unless" we literally ask you by means of spiritual advice.



How do you defined fulfilled if their god isn't the god you believe in?



But you do have a choice to accept we are fulfilled without the god you believe in or you can continue to give insight on where god is and who god is without the person you're speaking with having any interest in it.

However, the conversation Blu and I have with you isn't about searching for your god and anything like that. We were literally asking how can you speak of god that you cannot define outside what is in your head.

What is consciousness? Entity? Spirit?
What exactly is Big. The One.

What are these terms describing?

(If someone asked you if they wanted to know your god because they are spiritually empty, and they ask what is god-what would you say?)

If you ask me about the world, I will tell you it's round regardless that you might believe it's flat. Should a give you a politically correct answer that would suit what you might want to believe?

Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other. Is it really the best to accept what everyone believes and leave the truth behind? How would I define myself if I did that?

I have defined God and ourselves as it actually is. This is from actual experience. This is not made up beliefs to fit anyone's desires.

It seems I do not define things as you want to hear them or as you can understand them. I humbly just place them on your plate. Your actions, choices and journey has never been up to me.

This world isn't about what makes everyone feel good. Mankind's goal might be to have it made, however this is not God goal. God has a greater purpose.

So often I just place truth out there. Truth can step on some toes. I'm sure my delivery could be improved. Perhaps this is a weakness of mine I need to work on.

God is big on what is. So am I. It shows in my delivery. If what is is not what you want to hear, simply do not reply to me. You won't hurt my feelings in any way.

Be who you must! It's a part of the plan!

Free choice is far to important to allow others to choose for us.

This is who I am.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you ask me about the world, I will tell you it's round regardless that you might believe it's flat. Should a give you a politically correct answer that would suit what you might want to believe?

I understand your point, but science and religious experience and theology are totally different. Anyone anywhere around the world can study and find out the world is round.

They have a clear definition of common terms in order to know the world is round and how to study that field.

God is not a universal term. It needs a concrete definition to make sense of what you're saying.

Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other. Is it really the best to accept what everyone believes and leave the truth behind? How would I define myself if I did that?

But unconditional love is expressed by any religion and anyone without belief in god. So, that definition doesn't work. It's too vague.

I have defined God and ourselves as it actually is. This is from actual experience. This is not made up beliefs to fit anyone's desires.

What is consciousness? Entity, Spirit?

The One. Big. and other adjectives that you used to describe what god is?

What's the noun?

It seems I do not define things as you want to hear them or as you can understand them. I humbly just place them on your plate. Your actions, choices and journey has never been up to me.

If you're going to talk about god, you have to give a definition that we can both use to be on the same level.

You have a definition for yourself (the jargon), but can you break it down outside of religious jargon (universe, Big, consciousness, god, and so forth)?

The last sentence you're going back into the "you're missing something" convo. That's irrelevant.

This world isn't about what makes everyone feel good. Mankind's goal might be to have it made, however this is not God goal. God has a greater purpose.

What is god?

You said its a person but then consciousness. It's not an entity but it has a purpose. It can do things but you haven't explained how.

Mankind doesn't have a goal. Each of us have our own experiences and purpose(s) whether with god or not.

So often I just place truth out there. Truth can step on some toes. I'm sure my delivery could be improved. Perhaps this is a weakness of mine I need to work on.

This is your truth. No one else owns your truth or we would all understand you the first go around.

I'd suggest if someone doesn't want to know your truth and they say they have found their truth, it doesn't make sense to figure out if you have a weakness to evangelize people to your truth. Instead, let it go or learn something new.

It's not that you're weak, it's that you're not accepting and believing what other people tell you about themselves. So, it is counterproductive and backfires.

God is big on what is. So am I. It shows in my delivery. If what is is not what you want to hear, simply do not reply to me. You won't hurt my feelings in any way.

It's that you're not making it clear outside of religious jargon.

If you want to give the truth, you have to articulate it so those who have never heard of the words god, consciousness, and greater purpose can follow what you're saying.

Be who you must! It's a part of the plan!

Free choice is far to important to allow others to choose for us.

This is who I am.

How can you spread the truth if you can't break down the truth in which you want to convey?

 

[Bird123]

I understand your point, but science and religious experience and theology are totally different. Anyone anywhere around the world can study and find out the world is round.

They have a clear definition of common terms in order to know the world is round and how to study that field.

God is not a universal term. It needs a concrete definition to make sense of what you're saying.



But unconditional love is expressed by any religion and anyone without belief in god. So, that definition doesn't work. It's too vague.



What is consciousness? Entity, Spirit?

The One. Big. and other adjectives that you used to describe what god is?

What's the noun?



If you're going to talk about god, you have to give a definition that we can both use to be on the same level.

You have a definition for yourself (the jargon), but can you break it down outside of religious jargon (universe, Big, consciousness, god, and so forth)?

The last sentence you're going back into the "you're missing something" convo. That's irrelevant.



What is god?

You said its a person but then consciousness. It's not an entity but it has a purpose. It can do things but you haven't explained how.

Mankind doesn't have a goal. Each of us have our own experiences and purpose(s) whether with god or not.



This is your truth. No one else owns your truth or we would all understand you the first go around.

I'd suggest if someone doesn't want to know your truth and they say they have found their truth, it doesn't make sense to figure out if you have a weakness to evangelize people to your truth. Instead, let it go or learn something new.

It's not that you're weak, it's that you're not accepting and believing what other people tell you about themselves. So, it is counterproductive and backfires.



It's that you're not making it clear outside of religious jargon.

If you want to give the truth, you have to articulate it so those who have never heard of the words god, consciousness, and greater purpose can follow what you're saying.



How can you spread the truth if you can't break down the truth in which you want to convey?

I think religion has corrupted your thinking. I am not here to Spread the truth. I am not here to supply answers. I am not here to make everyone feel good about their beliefs. I simply copy God by placing truth that is everyone's truth regardless whether they realize it or not, into the world. On the other hand, I do not copy God when I point the direction that everyone is capable of Discovering God for themselves.

God leaves everything in each person's hands. Each decides what is truth. If they do not have truth but think they do, new knowledge along with new Discoveries will change the view. Since there is no time limit on learning or Discovering, Everyone will get there regardless.

You say I do not speak in your terms yet I speak to what is. Defining Spiritual reality such as consciousness and our spiritual being in physical terms based on this physical universe, so many are focused on, is problematical.

I have pointed ways you might Discover who you are and yet you demand to have it all defined in your terms. Since there is so much you are unaware of, you don't seem to even have a clue what I'm talking about.

If I confuse you so badly, how would a visit from God sit with you? I knew the basics of what God is about and why things are done yet I had to stretch my intellect to the very limits just to understand.

I can not paint the world to what you want it to be. Reality is so much better. It's a Masterpiece!!

God has High Intelligence. Knowledge exists everywhere beyond the surface. Widen that view. Stretch that thinking. Study the Actions Of God or at least study why the world is the way it is and why it is this way. It's staring us all in the face.

The journey to Discover anything takes work. Will is ninety percent of everything. Each must choose what they want to Discover. It has always been in your hands. Discover for yourself. When one opens a door, it leads to new ideas and new ways of thinking. It leads to other doors that can be opened. That's how it all works.

If I tell all, you will follow that conditioning of believing and accepting. You can never ever be sure of the truth until you Discover it for yourself. Even I had nothing but beliefs until God knocked on my door to confirm what I have Discovered. I went through years and years of work simply because I had to know the Truth. My Journey isn't even close to being over. There is so much more to learn.

So much is said about God that simply isn't true. I had to know the truth. Further I wanted to know if God really existed at all. Holy books sure didn't add up.

Sometimes those who search find what they are searching for. What do those who do not search find?? Beliefs that are served up on a plate??

I have communicated myself in the terms I know how. You have gotten my best. Even if you do not understand me, you should at least realize there are answers out there waiting to be Discovered.

Finally, do not discount Unconditional Love. It is where everyone is headed whether they realize it or not.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think religion has corrupted your thinking. I am not here to Spread the truth. I am not here to supply answers. I am not here to make everyone feel good about their beliefs. I simply copy God by placing truth that is everyone's truth regardless whether they realize it or not, into the world. On the other hand, I do not copy God when I point the direction that everyone is capable of Discovering God for themselves.

It sounds like you're trying to justify why I don't get it. I wasn't raised in religion of any sort; so, that's not the answer.

It's not necessary to use the words spreading the truth to see that you're spreading something, some knowledge, so others can get it. If they don't, then there's something missing.

God leaves everything in each person's hands. Each decides what is truth. If they do not have truth but think they do, new knowledge along with new Discoveries will change the view. Since there is no time limit on learning or Discovering, Everyone will get there regardless.

Consciousness leaves everything in each person's hands?
Entity? The Big?

You say I do not speak in your terms yet I speak to what is. Defining Spiritual reality such as consciousness and our spiritual being in physical
terms based on this physical universe, so many are focused on, is problematical.

Let's stick with consciousness. How does consciousness -do- anything?

I have pointed ways you might Discover who you are and yet you demand to have it all defined in your terms. Since there is so much you are unaware of, you don't seem to even have a clue what I'm talking about.

You said you weren't spreading the truth....

Also, now you're going back to "what I'm missing" conversation. It's a diversion and irrelevant to this conversation.

If I confuse you so badly, how would a visit from God sit with you? I knew the basics of what God is about and why things are done yet I had to stretch my intellect to the very limits just to understand.

Now you're making this personal. I was just asking you to describe consciousness, entity, and Big, nothing more.

What are the basics?

Did you all of the sudden "get it" or did someone had to teach you little by little before you understood for yourself?

I can not paint the world to what you want it to be. Reality is so much better. It's a Masterpiece!!

God has High Intelligence. Knowledge exists everywhere beyond the surface. Widen that view. Stretch that thinking. Study the Actions Of God or at least study why the world is the way it is and why it is this way. It's staring us all in the face.

The journey to Discover anything takes work. Will is ninety percent of everything. Each must choose what they want to Discover. It has always been in your hands. Discover for yourself. When one opens a door, it leads to new ideas and new ways of thinking. It leads to other doors that can be opened. That's how it all works.

You're playing appeal to ignorance. It doesn't work.

What is high intelligence?
(High intelligence, consciousness, god, Big, Truth) what are these things?

This is not about me. It's just asking you to clarify what you are talking about

If I tell all, you will follow that conditioning of believing and accepting. You can never ever be sure of the truth until you Discover it for yourself. Even I had nothing but beliefs until God knocked on my door to confirm what I have Discovered. I went through years and years of work simply because I had to know the Truth. My Journey isn't even close to being over. There is so much more to learn.

So much is said about God that simply isn't true. I had to know the truth. Further I wanted to know if God really existed at all. Holy books sure didn't add up.

Sometimes those who search find what they are searching for. What do those who do not search find?? Beliefs that are served up on a plate??

I have communicated myself in the terms I know how. You have gotten my best. Even if you do not understand me, you should at least realize there are answers out there waiting to be Discovered.

But you said you weren't spreading the truth then appealing to ignorance saying I don't get it and I'm not searching...

that doesn't answer the question of what high intelligence/consciousness/god is...

Finally, do not discount Unconditional Love. It is where everyone is headed whether they realize it or not.

Unconditional love is a human emotion, though. Grace is just the same as peace.

Do you have a definition of god/high intelligence/consciousness?

Definition is a description of what a word means. So the definition of high intelligence can't be consciousness. Consciousness definition can't be entity.

Definition rather than synonym

 

[Bird123]

It sounds like you're trying to justify why I don't get it. I wasn't raised in religion of any sort; so, that's not the answer.

It's not necessary to use the words spreading the truth to see that you're spreading something, some knowledge, so others can get it. If they don't, then there's something missing.



Consciousness leaves everything in each person's hands?
Entity? The Big?



Let's stick with consciousness. How does consciousness -do- anything?



You said you weren't spreading the truth....

Also, now you're going back to "what I'm missing" conversation. It's a diversion and irrelevant to this conversation.



Now you're making this personal. I was just asking you to describe consciousness, entity, and Big, nothing more.

What are the basics?

Did you all of the sudden "get it" or did someone had to teach you little by little before you understood for yourself?



You're playing appeal to ignorance. It doesn't work.

What is high intelligence?
(High intelligence, consciousness, god, Big, Truth) what are these things?

This is not about me. It's just asking you to clarify what you are talking about



But you said you weren't spreading the truth then appealing to ignorance saying I don't get it and I'm not searching...

that doesn't answer the question of what high intelligence/consciousness/god is...



Unconditional love is a human emotion, though. Grace is just the same as peace.

Do you have a definition of god/high intelligence/consciousness?

Definition is a description of what a word means. So the definition of high intelligence can't be consciousness. Consciousness definition can't be entity.

Definition rather than synonym

Just can't seem to please you regardless.

Consciousness is who we are. Consciousness is who God is.

Intelligence is the level of reasoning, thinking along with knowledge.

Is Unconditional Love really just an emotion?? Could you be missing something here??

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Just can't seem to please you regardless.

Consciousness is who we are. Consciousness is who God is.

Intelligence is the level of reasoning, thinking along with knowledge.

Is Unconditional Love really just an emotion?? Could you be missing something here??

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Thank you for being distinct.

When I hear consciousness, I think of Hinduism. Then there is consciousness as in awareness in the mental health/medical sense. Then some people feel that the universe is somehow aware of what we do and say. Others see consciousness more of a new age. Then I hear people who aren't abrahamic use consciousness as a means to not say god (avoiding the word god altogether).

So, given all these things, can you be more descriptive in what you mean by consciousness. Consciousness=god are synonymous. They don't describe what something is just gives an alternative name for the same foreign concept.

Unconditional love is love without, well conditions. That love (that heightened emotion of connection and relationship with self and others; fulfilment) is mental, neurological, and depending on how people associate it with their well-being, spiritual as well. I wasn't raised around unconditional love. All the love I have where based on conditions like actions, work, taking care of people, things of that nature. Not abstract things like grace, unconditional love, god even.

So, we're not on the same level not because I'm missing something you have, just we come from different backgrounds, different religious views, and not everyone just "gets" what you're saying no matter how spiritual your terms are.

Now that you get where I'm coming from, do you see the context of my question has more to do with your use of terms?

 

[Bird123]

Thank you for being distinct.

When I hear consciousness, I think of Hinduism. Then there is consciousness as in awareness in the mental health/medical sense. Then some people feel that the universe is somehow aware of what we do and say. Others see consciousness more of a new age. Then I hear people who aren't abrahamic use consciousness as a means to not say god (avoiding the word god altogether).

So, given all these things, can you be more descriptive in what you mean by consciousness. Consciousness=god are synonymous. They don't describe what something is just gives an alternative name for the same foreign concept.

Unconditional love is love without, well conditions. That love (that heightened emotion of connection and relationship with self and others; fulfilment) is mental, neurological, and depending on how people associate it with their well-being, spiritual as well. I wasn't raised around unconditional love. All the love I have where based on conditions like actions, work, taking care of people, things of that nature. Not abstract things like grace, unconditional love, god even.

So, we're not on the same level not because I'm missing something you have, just we come from different backgrounds, different religious views, and not everyone just "gets" what you're saying no matter how spiritual your terms are.

Now that you get where I'm coming from, do you see the context of my question has more to do with your use of terms?

Too many beliefs coming from too many people can lead one to go in circles. That is one of the reasons I do not value beliefs as others do. Beliefs merely point the direction by which one might search for truth.

Speaking of full circle, seems you are back to Discovering who you really are. By understanding who you really are, you will gain insight into who God is.

Back to that dark, quiet comfortable room away from all distractions. Ignore any distractions and focus inward. Discover who you really are. You are you and no one else. God is God and no one else. You are just like God and others in nature. Say it. It's Me!

Unconditional Love is never an easy thing to accomplish. It leads to a Higher Level away from all the petty things mankind holds so dear. Besides Great intellect and intelligence, Unconditional Love describes God to the letter. In fact, God's system is teaching us all to Love Unconditionally though few people see it.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Too many beliefs coming from too many people can lead one to go in circles. That is one of the reasons I do not value beliefs as others do. Beliefs merely point the direction by which one might search for truth.

Yeah. The term beliefs is not a good term I'd use only because we can believe anything: god exists, we can fly, and a boat load of other things, but that doesn't make it true. Instead, it's what you practice and how your practices shows in your words and behavior that's the key. So, with many christians I would never have known them christians because they are more concerned with bringing people to christ than getting to know people, their religion, and who they are regardless. It's a very unattractive aspect of christianity; and, it really does cloud some christian's genuine intentions when there is a motive to bring one to christ behind them.

Speaking of full circle, seems you are back to Discovering who you really are. By understanding who you really are, you will gain insight into who God is.

Discovering who you are doesn't mean discovering god. It just means discovering the truth(s) or path that is right for you-what makes you fulfilled in life. For you its god and for others its something else.

It's not discovery if it only leads in one direction. One may think it is discovery, but if they are just following the path everyone else follows, they're deluding themselves. Many paths. Many destinations. Not all god.

Back to that dark, quiet comfortable room away from all distractions. Ignore any distractions and focus inward. Discover who you really are. You are you and no one else. God is God and no one else. You are just like God and others in nature. Say it. It's Me!

But this is your discovery. God isn't part of everyone's discovery and "that's okay."

Consequently, your view of god and others view of god has no meaning only but to those who believe in it, him, or they.

Unconditional Love is never an easy thing to accomplish. It leads to a Higher Level away from all the petty things mankind holds so dear. Besides Great intellect and intelligence, Unconditional Love describes God to the letter. In fact, God's system is teaching us all to Love Unconditionally though few people see it.

This is for you. Discovering myself, for example, has nothing to do with unconditional love. There is no god involved but it's still self-discovery, the same importance and value as your discovery and the person beside you.

What makes your discovery everyone else's?
(What makes your god everyone else's?)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why does it seems like God or Gods hide from disbelievers but atleast in some way are recognised by or shown to believers?

Any thoughts?

They either misunderstand things or are not called by a God.

 

[Bird123]

Yeah. The term beliefs is not a good term I'd use only because we can believe anything: god exists, we can fly, and a boat load of other things, but that doesn't make it true. Instead, it's what you practice and how your practices shows in your words and behavior that's the key. So, with many christians I would never have known them christians because they are more concerned with bringing people to christ than getting to know people, their religion, and who they are regardless. It's a very unattractive aspect of christianity; and, it really does cloud some christian's genuine intentions when there is a motive to bring one to christ behind them.



Discovering who you are doesn't mean discovering god. It just means discovering the truth(s) or path that is right for you-what makes you fulfilled in life. For you its god and for others its something else.

It's not discovery if it only leads in one direction. One may think it is discovery, but if they are just following the path everyone else follows, they're deluding themselves. Many paths. Many destinations. Not all god.



But this is your discovery. God isn't part of everyone's discovery and "that's okay."

Consequently, your view of god and others view of god has no meaning only but to those who believe in it, him, or they.



This is for you. Discovering myself, for example, has nothing to do with unconditional love. There is no god involved but it's still self-discovery, the same importance and value as your discovery and the person beside you.

What makes your discovery everyone else's?
(What makes your god everyone else's?)

your quote:Instead, it's what you practice and how your practices shows in your words and behavior that's the key.

My Answer: Is that light bulb going off over your head and you Understand??? So much can be Discovered watching and understanding the actions of others. This concept is the basics I used, for in a time based causal universe the same can be said about God.

You are right. There are many ways to do things. You seem like me in the early days. There are so many missing pieces that it's hard to put the puzzle together.

The quiet room was so you could Discover who you really are. This will give you insight into who God is. Another step is to seek out the very youngest of children. They have recently left God's arms. If one looks closely, one can see God's reflection in them. They must be very young because this physical universe carries so much sensory input that one moves toward making choices and other things very soon in life.

In time, you will Discover how Unconditional Love fits in the system.

You are right. Each must choose for themselves. Each must take their own path or journey. Each must decide what is the best choice. Each defines for themselves what is good and what is evil. Each must choose what they value and do not value. Since we are all Living our Lessons, all these things are too important to allow others to do them for us. On the other hand, that is a lesson to learn as well.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!