Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

[dgirl1986]

a wedding is something sacred to Christianity, to be asked to participate in homosexuality is asking Christians to participate in the sin of homosexuality.

Why should Christians be forced to participate in the celebration of a sexual union that they view as sinful via providing the celebratory cake..?

This is blatant intolerance on the part of homosexuals.

Every culture has their own version of weddings. It is a common function with varying degrees and details.

 

[Storm]

a wedding is something sacred to Christianity.

And pagans, and many, many other faiths. It's not like you invented it, and you definitely don't have a monopoly on it. That's precisely why the First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion.

Nonetheless, public businesses are required to obey the law. They broke it. Case closed.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

In violation of anti-discrimination laws that everyone is required to obey. If your religious convictions require you to break the law, that's nobody's responsibility but yours.

This country was founded with religious liberty, forcing Christians to provide services of a marriage related type is discrimination against the Christian religion.

I'd would be one thing to say refuse to sell food and clothes to a homosexual couple because you hate homosexuals, and quite another thing to have to provide serves that would promote something you view as a sin.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

And pagans, and many, many other faiths. It's not like you invented it, and you definitely don't have a monopoly on it. That's precisely why the First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion.

Nonetheless, public businesses are required to obey the law. They broke it. Case closed.

Does the current accepted legal system dictate morality?

If the state government passed a law stating that any family with more than 2 kids must kill their remaining kids, and people refused to follow it because of Religious convictions, would it be "case closed" because of the law?

 

[Uberpod]

a wedding is something sacred to Christianity, to be asked to participate in homosexuality is asking Christians to participate in the sin of homosexuality.

Why should Christians be forced to participate in the celebration of a sexual union that they view as sinful via providing the celebratory cake..?

This is blatant intolerance on the part of homosexuals.

Because there is nothing sinful about baking a cake. No one refuses cakes to atheists. Why not?

 

[Storm]

You cannot make a judgement on an entire group of people on two incidences. It is just not logical.

I personally would not go to someone who refused service for people like me, would leave a bad taste in my mouth and I would not want to give them any of my hard earned money.

Agreed. Although iirc, the Oregon couple sued as a matter of law and only, as well they should. Once they realized what they were dealing with, they did indeed take their business elsewhere.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Because there is nothing sinful about baking a cake. No one refuses cakes to atheists. Why not?

it's not just a cake, its the fact that the cake is going to be used in celebration of homosexual union.

no one refuses to sell a cake to an atheist because the atheist are not celebrating something sinful.

What if a homosexual couple who owned a printing company was asked to print 100,000 pamphlets about how homosexuality is a sin, and then they were sued about it?

a homosexual shouldn't be forced to print pamphlets condemning homosexuality anymore than a Christian should be forced to bake a cake celebrating it.

 

[Storm]

Does the current accepted legal system dictate morality?

If the state government passed a law stating that any family with more than 2 kids must kill their remaining kids, and people refused to follow it because of Religious convictions, would it be "case closed" because of the law?

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Thanks, this thread needed some comic relief!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I agree with the OP.

Homosexuals do in fact push their lifestyle on others.

I recall two instances:

1 being a cake maker who was either sued or something like that because they refused to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual couple.

and another couple that had a business where they had weddings on their farm, they refused to provide service for a homosexual couple.

This is wrong.

Out of interest, what's your opinion if the cake maker refused service on the grounds of the couple being inter-racial?

 

[Koldo]

This country was founded with religious liberty, forcing Christians to provide services of a marriage related type is discrimination against the Christian religion.

I'd would be one thing to say refuse to sell food and clothes to a homosexual couple because you hate homosexuals, and quite another thing to have to provide serves that would promote something you view as a sin.

Erm... what if, for example, it was a sin to sell food and clothes to a homosexual?
Do you see the problem now?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Out of interest, what's your opinion if the cake maker refused service on the grounds of the couple being inter-racial?

Well, I do know that some Christians think interracial marriage is wrong.
I think it comes down to the reason why they are refusing it, if they are doing it because they are simply racists, than that's wrong, but if they can't do it because they believe because of religion that races should not intermarry, than I don't think it's right for them to be forced to participate.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Erm... what if, for example, it was a sin to sell food and clothes to a homosexual?
Do you see the problem now?

but it's not. comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

but it's not. comparing apples and oranges.

How is causing someone to starve and denying them necessities of life comparable to celebrating a sexual union?

 

[Koldo]

but it's not. comparing apples and oranges.

What is the difference? Do you mean there must be limitations on what people are allowed to refrain from doing because of their religious convictions?

 

[Koldo]

How is causing someone to starve and denying them necessities of life comparable to celebrating a sexual union?

Okay, so you do agree there must be limitations when people want to exempt themselves from doing something because of their religion.
Now, where ( and why ) do we draw the line?

 

[Nietzsche]

Well, I do know that some Christians think interracial marriage is wrong.
I think it comes down to the reason why they are refusing it, if they are doing it because they are simply racists, than that's wrong, but if they can't do it because they believe because of religion that races should not intermarry, than I don't think it's right for them to be forced to participate.

Every single argument ever made in the South(United States south) against inter-racial anything was couched entirely in Biblical terms. So was every argument for slavery.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Well, I do know that some Christians think interracial marriage is wrong.
I think it comes down to the reason why they are refusing it, if they are doing it because they are simply racists, than that's wrong, but if they can't do it because they believe because of religion that races should not intermarry, than I don't think it's right for them to be forced to participate.

So one should be allowed normally illegal activities if their religion supports them? Isn't that the placement of religious law over secular law?
What's your opinion on polygamy?

 

[Ingledsva]

it's not just a cake, its the fact that the cake is going to be used in celebration of homosexual union.

no one refuses to sell a cake to an atheist because the atheist are not celebrating something sinful.

What if a homosexual couple who owned a printing company was asked to print 100,000 pamphlets about how homosexuality is a sin, and then they were sued about it?

a homosexual shouldn't be forced to print pamphlets condemning homosexuality anymore than a Christian should be forced to bake a cake celebrating it.

That is ridiculous!

What if you are a Christian clothes designer?
What if you are a Christian jewelry designer?
What if you are a Christian lunch truck owner?

OMG! A gay person might use your product. Might get married in your clothes! Might use your rings! Might do the modern thing and bring in one of your food trucks to their beach wedding!

You folks are being disingenuous! Touting sin, where there is none, as an excuse to discriminate!

It is in no way any kind of SIN to sell to Gay people, what you normally sell to heterosexuals.

It isn't your business if they use the cake for a wedding, or for a food sex fetish.

Or If they use the clothing for every day use, or get married in it.

The only legitimate question would be if Christian Churches, that are against Gay marriage, - were being forced to marry gay couples. And they are not being forced to do so! So grow up.

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[Uberpod]

it's not just a cake, its the fact that the cake is going to be used in celebration of homosexual union.

no one refuses to sell a cake to an atheist because the atheist are not celebrating something sinful.

What if someone wanted to use a wedding cake at a funeral. Who cares? They buy the cake. They own it, and can do what they want with it.

What if a homosexual couple who owned a printing company was asked to print 100,000 pamphlets about how homosexuality is a sin, and then they were sued about it?

a homosexual shouldn't be forced to print pamphlets condemning homosexuality anymore than a Christian should be forced to bake a cake celebrating it.

As long as the pamphlets were not suggesting anything unlawful or intimidating, the homo printers should be expected to print it.

 

[dgirl1986]

I love how wanting to be treated just like anyone else is seen as forcing it on people. Must be nice to look down on the world from your ivory tower.