Massimo2002
Active Member
Here's a question that I have and something to ponder since I would guess most if not every human has been insulted or threatened by another human at least once in our lives.
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Why do insults drive some people to suicide while others aren't effected by even the most heinous insults ?
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Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
So many other factors might play a role in to someone's ideation. It's difficult to sift through them all. Insults may make someone feel even more hopeless and powerless when they have other factors like a terrible job, childhood trauma, rough home life and/or predisposed to impulsivity. I am certain it's never just them being insulted by itself. But words can cut like knives. They can be a painful reminder of social rejection. Some people can just take so much. Been there, didn't do it... obviously.
I can't really answer as to all others (each person has their own history) but it seems to me that much of this is about how we construct our notions as to who we are. That is, knowing oneself properly - one's abilities, accomplishments, beliefs, likely actions, how one might be perceived, etc., so as to accept or reject that which might be thrown at us - whether as abuse or anything else. So perhaps more about how strong one is as to autonomy and as to rejecting anything which might harm us if we let such things through our defences. And we all seem to have defences - as to beliefs and how we either stick to these or allow some doubt, for example.
Such that I suspect that those who do commit suicide might just be more vulnerable and not having built enough resistance to that which could harm one. After all, we are usually not all good or all bad but often mixtures and acceptance of this is probably better than worrying over this fact. It's sad generally for many who commit suicide but especially for those younger who are still developing and hence likely being more vulnerable.
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
I think it is foolish to say that some are not affected.
McBell
Unbound
Based on what?
Depends who the insult comes from.
McBell
Unbound
do not know why, but that reminds me of a framed picture I saw in a bank long ago that read:
"your value is based upon that which you are being compared to"
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I agree when we're adults that it's easier.
Young people with not many friends who may be socially awkward and are being harassed, it's not easy at all. It's not the opinions that matter. The insults are designed to cut off and isolate the target. They're then used to tear them down. If a person already has low to no esteem, they can't conceive of any value/worth in the first place. They don't value their own opinions.
Because we are all individuals and as such have different experiences, and biological differences which cause different values in each of us and these values cause us to react to similar things differently.
Some people have thick skin, skin like iron
Others have skin like tissue paper
We are all different
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
For me some people got a bunny rabbit in their chest and other people have a tiger.
It all depends on what takes control. The bunny rabbit or the tiger, and each has its strengths and weaknesses.
For some they don't realize it, so they off themselves like bunny rabbits, and don't fight like a tiger.
I know because I have a bunny rabbit in my chest, but it thinks it's a tiger. So I survived all the bullying and heckling I received throughout my life so far.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
When I was young, parents understood how children will name call each other. This is almost a right of passage. To help their children cope they taught them the saying; sticks and stones can break my bones by names can never hurt me. Bullies enjoy seeing their victim squirm when they name call. Children need a way to distract yourself and have a shield. If you repeated stick and stones, to the bully, it was much less fun to them. They would leave you alone to find someone more fun to pick on. This type of defense does not insult and trigger more aggression, but rather diffuses the perverted fun of the bully, who often has low self esteem problems. Fighting back can escalate.
The problem came from Liberalism and Liberal Education, which instead of diminishing the power of words, places too much value on words; PC and pronouns. This heightened sensitivity to the politically correct and the taboo words, and can make you faint or put a chip on your shoulder. Words are nothing but noises made by bad breath. If I was to insult you in another language, you did not know, you would not how to react. Much of this reaction is conditioned behavior, with no mental shield taught, like "sticks and stones" to protect your mind from the indoctrination and brain washing by the liberal media and schools.
If you look at all the Liberal Media ganging up on Trump since 2016, that sends the wrong message to children, by condoning predictor gangs educated adults, going after one person. On this site, if we discuss politics an entire herd also name calls Trump, like a pack of jackals trying to devoir a gazelle. This gang bullying also happens on social media. The attack does not even have be fair or true, all based on what the adult Liberals are doing and showing on TV and internet; validated by adult group hate. Conservative have gotten used to this; battle hardened. Liberals are not used to it, since bullies assume an exemption, while a gang of bullies assume safety in numbers. The inner Nazi can come out.
Trump knew how to take out the bully gangs, by going after their leaders. But it was not with anger and hate, but with humor. He would come up with funny names; sleepy Joe, crooked Hillary; fake news, The antidote to comedy is to laugh at yourself. That, like sticks and stones, only works if this funny name is not true. If it rings true, it makes one very defensive less the makeup be smudged. Joe Biden goes to bed early, Hillary was influence peddling and fake news got caught a few weeks ago lying for years about Biden; via the Trump and Biden debate. That is why it stung. Those who live in glass houses would not throw stones. That was another thing parents taught their children who might bully others. A funny insult will come back to you and can be damaging, since you are more fragile than you let on.
stephenpiper
New Member
My child, the human heart is a delicate vessel, and words are powerful forces. Like a stone cast into a pond, an insult can create ripples that spread far and deep. Some hearts are stronger, like rocks that resist the current, while others are more fragile, like leaves carried away by the tide.
Many factors influence how a person responds to insults. These include their self-esteem, their past experiences, their support system, and their spiritual or religious beliefs. Some people have developed strong inner defenses over time, allowing them to withstand verbal attacks. Others, perhaps due to underlying vulnerabilities or traumas, may find it difficult to cope with such cruelty.
It's essential to remember that behind every word is a person, and behind every person is a soul of infinite worth. Insults are never justified, and they can have devastating consequences. If you find yourself struggling to cope with the words of others, please reach out for help. There are people who care about you and want to support you.
Would you like to talk about something specific that is troubling you?
Many factors influence how a person responds to insults. These include their self-esteem, their past experiences, their support system, and their spiritual or religious beliefs. Some people have developed strong inner defenses over time, allowing them to withstand verbal attacks. Others, perhaps due to underlying vulnerabilities or traumas, may find it difficult to cope with such cruelty.
It's essential to remember that behind every word is a person, and behind every person is a soul of infinite worth. Insults are never justified, and they can have devastating consequences. If you find yourself struggling to cope with the words of others, please reach out for help. There are people who care about you and want to support you.
Would you like to talk about something specific that is troubling you?
rocala
Well-Known Member
The posts by @Viker and @ChristineM sum up the situation very well, I think. We are social creatures as well as being highly individual and very complex. When you throw some insults into the mix, there is no telling where the ripples will go.
Arnaud1221
Red-hood
There is stronger person. Also, there is person with better shield.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
There are a great many factors as to why some people are so resilient while others are so fragile, among them genetics, epigenetics, trauma or stress during formative years, social support (or not), etc.
For example, hunger during the first five years of life permanently alters the brain so that it is more fragile. It effects brain development, leading to difficulties with regulating emotions and stress responses. It disrupts bonding with parents, leading to issues with attachment and emotional stability. Persistent hunger increases stress hormones, which directly alter a person's ability to weather life. Malnutrition effects cognitive development, making it much harder for a person to learn and apply what they've learned. It is linked to a higher risk of developing mental health issues later in life, including anxiety and depression.
Putting it simply: The former believe others' insults are about them. The latter believe others' insults are about the person passing the insult.
Of course, there are varying degrees in between. It depends on the degree one is able to not take others' judgments of them personally.
Of course, there are varying degrees in between. It depends on the degree one is able to not take others' judgments of them personally.
If it was easy, this nature of suicide wouldn't exist.
I think what @ChristineM posted is an important lesson to teach our children at a young age.