Why do liberals and gay rights activists say that gay marriage is similar to interracial marriage?

[FollowerOfTheLord]

Society is composed of minorities, we are all a minority in some sense - people with brown hair, tall people, Lakers fans etc etc. That something is a minority practice does not make it any less worthy or moral.

I agree to an extent, but I have seen countless homosexuals equate themselves with african americans... African Americans were truly the minority, they were enslaved and it was very cruel. African Americans had absolutely no choice in the matter, they could not change their color.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

You are of course free to fly in the face of the available evidence.

If there was ANY evidence at all it would be the fact that they were not born that way, but that it was to due with something in the head (a mental issue).

 

[Bunyip]

I agree to an extent, but I have seen countless homosexuals equate themselves with african americans... African Americans were truly the minority, they were enslaved and it was very cruel. African Americans had absolutely no choice in the matter, they could not change their color.

And the gay African Americans are a subset of that minority, so what is your point?

 

[Bunyip]

If there was ANY evidence at all it would be the fact that they were not born that way, but that it was to due with something in the head (a mental issue).

No, that is false. The evidence indicates that sexuality has a genetic component, not that is it a choice.

 

[Debater Slayer]

If there was ANY evidence at all it would be the fact that they were not born that way, but that it was to due with something in the head (a mental issue).

Why doesn't it surprise me that someone who calls herself "FollowerOfTheLord" thinks homosexuality is a choice?

Oh, right... because we all know what religion can do to people's heads. That is something people are not born with, unlike homosexuality.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

No, that is false. The evidence indicates that sexuality has a genetic component, not that is it a choice.

Could you possibly provide a link, and I would not mind reviewing this evidence(s).

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

And the gay African Americans are a subset of that minority, so what is your point?

No the African American, not the homosexual.

 

[Bunyip]

Could you possibly provide a link, and I would not mind reviewing this evidence(s).

Sure, there is a good wiki page: Biology and sexual orientation.

 

[Bunyip]

No the African American, not the homosexual.

Yes, I meant the countless African American homosexuals. The minority of that minority.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

Why doesn't it surprise me that someone who calls herself "FollowerOfTheLord" thinks homosexuality is a choice?

Oh, right... because we all know what religion can do to people's heads. That is something people are not born with, unlike homosexuality.

Sure, there is a good wiki page: Biology and sexual orientation.

Touchy touchy, sounds like a personal attack... that's okay though.
I see your smart at least you know how to use your noggin, you're indeed right I am a Christian and proud of it.
As for the part about religion and what it can do with ones head, I would have to wonder if your head is on correctly...

As for my stance on homosexuality that stands no matter how you or anyone else feels.
Even in the face of danger seeing as your an admin.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

Sure, there is a good wiki page: Biology and sexual orientation.

The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. A simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated; various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, but scientists hypothesize that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation.[1][2] Biological theories for explaining the causes of sexual orientation are more popular,[1] and biological factors may involve a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment.[3] These factors, which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual orientation, include genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure.

Do you see the word hypothesize? That is not proof, it's a guess...
Also may I add the word theories, and not conclusively.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Touchy touchy, sounds like a personal attack... that's okay though.
I see your smart at least you know how to use your noggin, you're indeed right I am a Christian and proud of it.

I have no doubt that you are proud of the ignorant statements you have made here thus far. That doesn't make them any less unfortunate.

As for the part about religion and what it can do with ones head, I would have to wonder if your head is on correctly...

As for my stance on homosexuality that stands no matter how you or anyone else feels.
Even in the face of danger seeing as your an admin.

And you apparently don't care that the kind of feelings you have regarding homosexuality have caused people to commit suicide because many people have ignorant and bigoted views and compare homosexuality to mental illness. Such Christian love.

As for my being an admin, don't worry; having repulsive views is not against the forum rules. You don't need to play the martyr now.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, umm that is normal... Look all around you, that is how procreation works, your argument is invalid.

You didn't even address my point.
And, look around yourself. TONS of species have been observed having gay sex.

 

[Bunyip]

The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. A simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated; various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, but scientists hypothesize that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation.[1][2] Biological theories for explaining the causes of sexual orientation are more popular,[1] and biological factors may involve a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment.[3] These factors, which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual orientation, include genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure.

Do you see the word hypothesize? That is not proof, it's a guess...

Sure, are you claiming you have such proof? I didn't. You did give a great list there of some of the factors being explored - all of which provide the supporting evidence you asked for and I said existed.

Pre-natal conditions, brain structure, genetics etc. Lots of evidence. And yes of course they are hypothesis.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

I have no doubt that you are proud of the ignorant statements you have made here thus far. That doesn't make them any less unfortunate.



And you apparently don't care that the kind of feelings you have regarding homosexuality have caused people to commit suicide because many people have ignorant and bigoted views and compare homosexuality to mental illness. Such Christian love.

As for my being an admin, don't worry; having repulsive views is not against the forum rules. You don't need to play the martyr now.

So I am somehow at fault for them committing suicide, when they are the ones who chose to be that way?
To say I lack a heart or have no love again is a personal attack, and that's well your opinion your entitled to have.
Play the martyr? It works both ways, they chose to be gay so I cannot be blamed for their future outcome(s).

 

[columbus]

Even in the face of danger seeing as your an admin.

That really isn't a big deal. I've pissed off @Debater Slayer more than you are ever likely to do.
Tom

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

Sure, are you claiming you have such proof? I didn't. You did give a great list there of some of the factors being explored - all of which provide the supporting evidence you asked for and I said existed.

Pre-natal conditions, brain structure, genetics etc. Lots of evidence. And yes of course they are hypothesis.

Hypothesis is not really evidence, it's an educated (GUESS) and in this case it's not even an educated guess.

 

[Bunyip]

So I am somehow at fault for them committing suicide, when they are the ones who chose to be that way?
To say I lack a heart or have no love again is a personal attack, and that's well your opinion your entitled to have.
Play the martyr? It works both ways, they chose to be gay so I cannot be blamed for their future outcome(s).

Yes. It is exactly the mindset of such as you, and the communities thus formed that is at least in part responsible for the high rate of suicide in the homosexual community in those areas. Religious bigotry reduces their experience of humanity

 

[Debater Slayer]

That really isn't a big deal. I've pissed off @Debater Slayer more than you are ever likely to do.
Tom

I'm notorious for pretty much never getting angry, actually. It's just that I'm more blunt than most when I address certain things, like exceptionally ignorant beliefs.

 

[Bunyip]

Hypothesis is not really evidence, it's an educated (GUESS) and in this case it's not even an educated guess.

Hypothesis are tested to produce evidence. The evidence produced by testing hypothesis is evidence. What educates your guess in this regard? I have thousands of professional peer reviewed research articles that have produced a large volume of empirical and cohesive evidence - what do you have?

My guess includes a lot of evidence and is thus educated.
Your position strikes me as being rather more certain and is educated by what exactly?