Why do Orthodox Muslims ignore Surah 3:103?

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Greetings to you,

It is true that the Orthodox Muslim world ignores this ayat (verse) from the Holy Qur'an:

"And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited..." Surah 3:103, Maulana Muhammad Ali translation

Why does the Orthodox Muslim world persist in being divided when division goes against the Holy Qur'an?

 

[Gharib]

Muslims aren't divided.

 

[Assad91]

Why do NOIers ignore whole surah al ikhlis?

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Muslims aren't divided.

That's not true, Brother. Orthodox Muslims are DIVIDED along the lines of sectarianism and nationality.

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Why do NOIers ignore whole surah al ikhlis?

Well I'm still not a member of the Nation of Islam, but I do believe in Louis Farrakhan and the NOI does not ignore any of the Qur'an.

Yahyaa Waahid

 

[BruceDLimber]

Well, I'm still not a member of the Nation of Islam, but I do believe in Louis Farrakhan and the NOI does not ignore any of the Qur'an

In which case I'd be most interested in hearing how and why you think the NOI can teach racism:

"The Nation of Islam has traditionally been xenophobic and racist to the point of naming all people of European descent 'White Devils' and only "potential humans."




Bruce

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

In which case I'd be most interested in hearing how and why you think the NOI can teach racism:

"The Nation of Islam has traditionally been xenophobic and racist to the point of naming all people of European descent 'White Devils' and only "potential humans."




Bruce

Greetings to you, Bruce.

First I should show you a picture of Min. Farrakhan and his friend Father Michael Pfleger: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mveHL3n_4...s400/Father+Michael+Pfleger+and+farrakhan.jpg .

The Nation of Islam believes that the nature of the White man is Satan, but they believe that White people can struggle against & behave contrary to their nature. They also acknowledge that Prophet Muhammad was a White man and they believe in the Prophet.

As far as "potential humans," I don't know where you are getting that quote from but it is incorrect. They (the NOI) teach that Whites are "mankind" (meaning kind of a man) while all non-Whites are "man," and there is no other race who preaches supremacy based on their race and the subjugation of all non-members of their race but White people.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Gharib]

Elijah Muhammad taught his followers that Islam is only for black people and white people are the devil and that they cannot be Muslims. How can anyone believe such a thing.

 

[Assad91]

As far as "potential humans," I don't know where you are getting that quote from but it is incorrect. They (the NOI) teach that Whites are "mankind" (meaning kind of a man) while all non-Whites are "man," and there is no other race who preaches supremacy based on their race and the subjugation of all non-members of their race but White people.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

And that, my friends, is a grand example of hypocrisy.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Having an uncle who is in the nation of Islam I find it very laughable anyone can dodge the racism promoted by the NOI. I have very good experience with NOI's teachings .

NOI seems to be more about dividing the Ummah if anything else by trying to exclude others on the account of ethnicity and focus on secular politics. Focusing on the dunya is not exactly Islamic last I recall

 

[BruceDLimber]

The Nation of Islam believes that the nature of the White man is Satan....

Which remains a problem given that the scriptures of the religion I endeavor to follow say explicitly:

"O SON OF MAN!
"Noble I created thee; yet thou has abased thyself. Rise, then, to that for which thou wast created."
--The Hidden Words, Part One, #22

And we are thus born inherently noble, NOT satanic!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Muffled]

Greetings to you, Bruce.

First I should show you a picture of Min. Farrakhan and his friend Father Michael Pfleger: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mveHL3n_4...s400/Father+Michael+Pfleger+and+farrakhan.jpg .

The Nation of Islam believes that the nature of the White man is Satan, but they believe that White people can struggle against & behave contrary to their nature. They also acknowledge that Prophet Muhammad was a White man and they believe in the Prophet.

As far as "potential humans," I don't know where you are getting that quote from but it is incorrect. They (the NOI) teach that Whites are "mankind" (meaning kind of a man) while all non-Whites are "man," and there is no other race who preaches supremacy based on their race and the subjugation of all non-members of their race but White people.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

I believe that is relative because Arabs appear less than white to me. I will grant that he was lighter than a negroid person.

I believe this to be a false belief.

I am not sure the differences are that great or that they matter much. Negroids don't qaulify as man because they are a different race. It is the Adamic race that was called "man." (Mohammed would qualify as a man) It is possible that Negroids and Caucasians are kind of men but the origins are little known and I don't know of any differences in structure although there are certainly differences in appearance.

 

[Iti oj]

Muslims aren't divided.

So this whole sunni vs shia thing...

 

[Muffled]

Which remains a problem given that the scriptures of the religion I endeavor to follow say explicitly:

"O SON OF MAN!
"Noble I created thee; yet thou has abased thyself. Rise, then, to that for which thou wast created."
--The Hidden Words, Part One, #22

And we are thus born inherently noble, NOT satanic!

Peace,

Bruce

I believe created and born are two different things. I believe those born now fall under the "abased" category except for Jesus who is God in the flesh and therefore not apt to debase Himself.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Not only does our view differ, but you're redefining words in order to try to make your point, thus creating what for us would be a "distinction without a difference."

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Elijah Muhammad taught his followers that Islam is only for black people and white people are the devil and that they cannot be Muslims. How can anyone believe such a thing.

Well Gharib, if you want to learn about the Nation of Islam, you should learn about them from they themselves (first-hand) and not through second hand information BECAUSE MANY MANY PEOPLE *LIE* ABOUT THE NATION OF ISLAM.

The Nation of Islam does not teach that Whites cannot be Muslims. They teach that anyone can practice Islam regardless of race. What they teach about Whites is that the nature of the White man is Satan, but that the White man can practice the opposite of his nature. In fact, a short abbreviation of ALL that the Nation of Islam wants and believes can be found at their website @ The Muslim Program - Nation of Islam .

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[ImprobableBeing]

Greetings to you,

It is true that the Orthodox Muslim world ignores this ayat (verse) from the Holy Qur'an:

"And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited..." Surah 3:103, Maulana Muhammad Ali translation

Why does the Orthodox Muslim world persist in being divided when division goes against the Holy Qur'an?

Why do 100% of people ignore their religion when it doesn't say hate who you are currently hating, why do 100% of all people just pretend to follow religion "in their own way" as interpreted by others and "understood by them as it suits them"?

You know who are really following their religion? Al Quaeda and the Taliban and if Christians followed their Paulism (they don't follow Christ, Paul, the persecutor who was given authority and kinda lik Mohammed just had visions wrote everything that makes christians so hateful today) that is were they'd be at.

Real sad that not one person gives a sheit about Jesus though, no Christian seems to care about his words, only what Paul says which is hatred. Well i guess i've seen that around a lot in the likes of 1robin, it's not so much what they believe, its' that you get the opportunity to put others down, that is the message of Paul held WAY above what Jesus ever said.

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

And that, my friends, is a grand example of hypocrisy.

Geetings, Assad91,

That is hypocrisy how? And we have gotten away from the original question: Why do Orthodox Muslims ignore Surah 3:103?

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Having an uncle who is in the nation of Islam I find it very laughable anyone can dodge the racism promoted by the NOI. I have very good experience with NOI's teachings .

NOI seems to be more about dividing the Ummah if anything else by trying to exclude others on the account of ethnicity and focus on secular politics. Focusing on the dunya is not exactly Islamic last I recall

Greetings, Sterling Archer,

Well Ma'am it seems like you have not had true experience with the Nation of Islam. You must remember that the Children of Israel (whom the Nation of Islam teaches is the American so-called Negroes) are a chosen (Surah 44:32) and favored (Surah 2:40) people by Allah. Allah has chosen the Black man (which according to the NOI are all non-White people) so only non-Whites can join the NOI, but that is only because the Children of Israel are "CHOSEN" by Allah.

The original question that was posed has been sidetracked by the NOI discussion. Why do Orthodox Muslims ignore Surah 3:103? Do you have an answer to that question?

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Which remains a problem given that the scriptures of the religion I endeavor to follow say explicitly:

"O SON OF MAN!
"Noble I created thee; yet thou has abased thyself. Rise, then, to that for which thou wast created."
--The Hidden Words, Part One, #22

And we are thus born inherently noble, NOT satanic!

Peace,

Bruce

The Son of Man is not the White race. The White race is the "man of sin," "the son of perdition." 2 Thessalonians 2:3: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid