Why do people hate Muslims?

[David1967]

You can take it a step further and say Christianity as a whole. It has some very ugly spots in history.

And hopefully it will remain just that .."history". No more killing in the name of religion...Any religion.

 

[Sakeenah]

If I was allowed to observe I probably wouldn’t be able to understand it unless they were required to preach in English.

According to what I heard on the BBC last week, even prison officers are not allowed to observe imams preach in UK prisons because of the Human Rights of Muslim prisoners.

What do they have to hide?

Majority of mosques I've been to translate the sermons to English, and one mosque I used to regularly visit had only English sermons. If you really want to listen to a sermon you can simply ask if they can translate it to english if not you can always look for a mosque that does.
Can you post the link to the bbc article or video, because I haven't seen that on the BBC news last week. They don't have anything to hide, you should try to think good of your fellow citizens.

 

[Fire_Monkey]

I suggest you google 'Christian terrorism'. You'll find there's a lot out there - especially in America. So no, not all terrorists are Muslims. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to excuse Islamic terrorism by saying 'they (non-Muslim) do it too!'; I'm merely trying to correct what I see as an erroneous claim.

LOL....how many of those Christian terrorists do we have locked up in Gitmo? None. This should tell you something about the true nature of the vast majority of terrorists. They're Islamic radicals, and most of them deserve to die. Most of them would gladly slit your throat for a bowl of hummus. Why defend them? they don't like you. They indeed have more respect for people like me than they do for you. I'm an OIF vet, btw. I know of what I speak.

 

[sun rise]

This thread is a classic example of the difference between those who take the most extreme examples to hate and fear the other without any distinction between people and those that don't.

And for any that care, my attitude toward Islam was in part shaped by the influence of the great Muslim Sufi sage, Hazrat Inayat Khan who brought Chisti Sufism to the west. He authored this prayer, Salat:

Most gracious Lord, Master, Messiah,
And Saviour of Humanity,
We greet Thee with all humility.
Thou art the first cause and the last effect,
The Divine Light and the Spirit of Guidance,
Alpha and Omega.
Thy light is in all forms,
Thy love in all beings,
In a loving mother, in a kind father,
In an innocent child, in a helpful friend,
In an inspiring teacher.
Allow us to recognize Thee
In all Thy holy names and forms;
As Rama, as Krishna, as Shiva, as Buddha;
Let us know Thee as Abraham, as Solomon, as Zarathustra, as Moses, as Jesus, as Mohammed,
And in many other names and forms,
Known and unknown to the world.
We adore Thy past;
Thy presence deeply enlighteneth our beings,
And we look for Thy blessings in the future.
O Messenger, Christ, Nabi, the Rasul of God,
Thou whose heart constantly reacheth upward,
Thou comest on earth with a message,
As a dove from above when dharma decayeth
And speaketh the word that is put into Thy mouth
As the light filleth the crescent moon.
Let the star of the Divine Light shining in Thy heart
Be reflected in the hearts of Thy devotees.
May the Message of God reach far and wide,
Illuminating and making the whole humanity
As one single brotherhood in the fatherhood of God.

 

[sovietchild]

LOL....how many of those Christian terrorists do we have locked up in Gitmo? None. This should tell you something about the true nature of the vast majority of terrorists. They're Islamic radicals, and most of them deserve to die. Most of them would gladly slit your throat for a bowl of hummus. Why defend them? they don't like you. They indeed have more respect for people like me than they do for you. I'm an OIF vet, btw. I know of what I speak.

Didn't you know that Christian nations statistically are more criminal then Islamic nations?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

LOL....how many of those Christian terrorists do we have locked up in Gitmo? None. This should tell you something about the true nature of the vast majority of terrorists.

Actually it tells us more about successive American administrations' beliefs that they can act unilaterally, violating the sovereignty of other nations to abduct their citizens. Gitmo is typically used to house foreign detainees under U.S. law while simultaneously denying them the protections such laws grant such as a right to legal counsel, right to a trial by jury of peers, right to due process etc. Christian terrorists in America are almost always U.S. citizens and as such are known to federal authorities - or they were until the Trump administration removed Christian terrorist organisations from federal watch lists.

They're Islamic radicals, and most of them deserve to die. Most of them would gladly slit your throat for a bowl of hummus. Why defend them? they don't like you.

I don't need to defend Islamic terrorists to point out your erroneous statement. I'm not happy with Islamic terrorism (or Islam at all, really) but that doesn't mean I need to turn a blind eye to American imperialism & exceptionalist policies.

They indeed have more respect for people like me than they do for you. I'm an OIF vet, btw. I know of what I speak.

Does that grant you any additional insight into how the United States violates sovereign territory and abducts foreign citizens so it can subject them to punishments under U.S. law while denying them the benefits? Some Gitmo detainees have been held without ever being charged with a crime - that's illegal.

 

[al-amiyr]

Bomb Attacks Upon The Other! Muslim versus Christian! Making Known The Facts!

Did you know that during the last seventeen years - 2000 - 2017 - the Muslims threw less than 100 bombs upon Christian Lands but the Christians have thrown over 150 000 (Yes Over One Hundred and Fifty Thousands) bombs upon the Muslim Lands. And yet the Muslims have been portrayed as the Terrorists everywhere in the Christian Media and the World. Know that God will most certainly judge between the Nations!

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Psalm 37

Of David.

1 Do not fret because of those who are evil
or be envious of those who do wrong;

2 for like the grass they will soon wither,
like green plants they will soon die away.

3 Trust in the Lord and do good;
dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.

4 Take delight in the Lord,
and he will give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to the Lord;
trust in him and he will do this:

6 He will make your righteous reward shine like the dawn,
your vindication like the noonday sun.

7 Be still before the Lord
and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.

8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil.

9 For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.

10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
11 But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity.

12 The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;

13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.

14 The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.

15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.

16 Better the little that the righteous have
than the wealth of many wicked;

17 for the power of the wicked will be broken,
but the Lord upholds the righteous.

18 The blameless spend their days under the Lord’s care,
and their inheritance will endure forever.

19 In times of disaster they will not wither;
in days of famine they will enjoy plenty.

20 But the wicked will perish:
Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field,
they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.

21 The wicked borrow and do not repay,
but the righteous give generously;

22 those the Lord blesses will inherit the land,
but those he curses will be destroyed.

23 The Lord makes firm the steps
of the one who delights in him;

24 though he may stumble, he will not fall,
for the Lord upholds him with his hand.

25I was young and now I am old,
yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken
or their children begging bread.

26 They are always generous and lend freely;
their children will be a blessing.

27 Turn from evil and do good;
then you will dwell in the land forever.

28 For the Lord loves the just
and will not forsake his faithful ones.
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyedc ;
the offspring of the wicked will perish.

29 The righteous will inherit the land
and dwell in it forever.

30 The mouths of the righteous utter wisdom,
and their tongues speak what is just.

31 The law of their God is in their hearts;
their feet do not slip.

32 The wicked lie in wait for the righteous,
intent on putting them to death;

33 but the Lord will not leave them in the power of the wicked
or let them be condemned when brought to trial.

34Hope in the Lord
and keep his way.
He will exalt you to inherit the land;
when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.

35 I have seen a wicked and ruthless man
flourishing like a luxuriant native tree,

36 but he soon passed away and was no more;
though I looked for him, he could not be found.

37 Consider the blameless, observe the upright;
a future awaits those who seek peace.

38 But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no futuree for the wicked.

39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the Lord;
he is their stronghold in time of trouble.

40 The Lord helps them and delivers them;
he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
because they take refuge in him.

 

[paarsurrey]

Actually "here" is the world wide web. Please remember when posting that there is more than one country on this planet.

Very truly said.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I hate the ideology associated with Islam and those that support and execute oppression and torture.
Not individual Muslims that prefer to live in peace and coexistence.
There's so much of it now, that Muslims and Islam itself are destined for a long drawn out engaugement and possibly extermination if extremism continues to plauge overall society.
It's really a shame givin how Arabic culture and religion had contributed a number of things in a positive light over the centuries only to be severely diminished in the wake of authoritarian rule and overall destruction.
It's a very bloody and destructive religion now in the eyes of so many people.
It shouldn't be any real surprise as to why hatred is so predominant. Islam as it stands is seen more as a threat than a religion.

It is wrong understanding of Islam/Quran/Muhammad that makes one an "Extremist". Please
Regards

 

[Pastek]

Here is the reason why some people (mostly Christians) hate Muslims.

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The cartoon is wrong !
People who are terrorists in general weren't raised with hatred.

I've read a book recently about people who came back from Syria and many of them were normal citizen, who didn't for the most praticed the religion but some had some basis of religious education.
Some had parents not practincing Islam, some have one parent who was christian or jew and some were converts.

But they used to refuse to go to mosques and learned Islam from internet, in particular Facebook.
Most of time they meet people -not from the mosque- who used to give some "dawa" and made some "private lessons" concerning their vision of Islam. But were not Imams, nor they had the possibility to preach in the mosques.

Some were not even poor, just eventually modest.
I don't think we can say they grew up like this or they were all poor and uneducated, that's just not true .

The book (but not in english ) : Amazon.fr - Les Revenants. Ils étaient partis faire le jihad, ils sont de retour en France - David Thomson - Livres

 

[Fire_Monkey]

Actually it tells us more about successive American administrations' beliefs that they can act unilaterally, violating the sovereignty of other nations to abduct their citizens. Gitmo is typically used to house foreign detainees under U.S. law while simultaneously denying them the protections such laws grant such as a right to legal counsel, right to a trial by jury of peers, right to due process etc. Christian terrorists in America are almost always U.S. citizens and as such are known to federal authorities - or they were until the Trump administration removed Christian terrorist organisations from federal watch lists.




I don't need to defend Islamic terrorists to point out your erroneous statement. I'm not happy with Islamic terrorism (or Islam at all, really) but that doesn't mean I need to turn a blind eye to American imperialism & exceptionalist policies.




Does that grant you any additional insight into how the United States violates sovereign territory and abducts foreign citizens so it can subject them to punishments under U.S. law while denying them the benefits? Some Gitmo detainees have been held without ever being charged with a crime - that's illegal.

Illegal?

LOL

Read the Patriot Act. It pretty much suspends habeus corpus.

And speaking of alleged US imperialism is off-topic. The thread is about Islam, and the rampant and murderous terrorism that is a huge integral part of it. If you want to rant about the big bad US government, then I suggest you start your own thread. I will be glad to give you some real facts on that forum.

Have a great terror-free day!

LOL.......you're welcome.

 

[Fire_Monkey]

Didn't you know that Christian nations statistically are more criminal then Islamic nations?

Only for crime committed within their own borders by its own citizens. This is because we in America live in a Free Society with more personal rights than those Sharia Law regimes, where an adultress is stoned or a thief has his hands cut-off. Savage laws CAN be am effective crime deterrent, I will concede that.

If you know anything about the old USSR as your username implies, and are not just a wannabe commie who thinks its cool, you should be well aware of how tyrannical regimes, such as Stalin's, can be a good anti-crime weapon.

Gulag much?

LOL

FM

 

[icehorse]

You do realize that "support our secular government" has nothing to do with turning one's back on one's religion, right?

For many religions you would be correct. But you have to do some real mental gymnastics for your claim to be true of Muslims.

 

[icehorse]

But we don't get to decide what the core tenants of Islam is any more than I get to decide what the core tenants of Christianity is. I can yell that the bible promotes misogyny, slavery, a callous and selfish attitude towards people outside their belief and ultimately an excitement towards a future where everyone will be killed and tortured but them until I'm blue in the face, but if they don't interpret the bible that way then calling it 'doctrines of Christianity' is setting up straw man, not addressing what they actually believe.

Just because a thing is heterogeneous doesn't mean that we can't make fair and useful generalizations.

It is absurd to claim that we don't know what the core tenets of Islam are.

 

[icehorse]

To me Islam is one of the major great world religions alongside Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism.

All the holy books have ambiguous parts as well as internal contradictions. This allows for endless disputes about interpretation.

And many human's nature is to separate what I believe as good and what some other group believes as evil. Not so many decades ago when a friend was growing up, she was told that those Catholics were evil and going to hell while her brand of Protestant Christianity was true and members going to heaven. This kind of nonsense is gradually dying off, too slowly for my taste.

And another part of human nature is to take the belief and actions of a few and generalize to the many.

This leads some to hate the other, in this case Muslims.

Or it could be that we're more thoughtful, we've studied the ideology, and found it lacking.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

For many religions you would be correct. But you have to do some real mental gymnastics for your claim to be true of Muslims.

"true Muslims"

 

[icehorse]

"true Muslims"

notice that if your intention was to quote me, you misquoted me

 

[Pastek]

However, the teachings that they generally follow (primarily the Quran) are a totally different issue.

The point of this is not to so much show that the Quran has passages that "I" interpret as violent, but to show that there are "hundreds of millions of Muslims" who believe and practice these things and see them as commands for them to commit violent acts as you can see when you follow the links! Below are some of these with the links:

Most of what you quoted is false or out of context.
I checked some of your verses have even nothing to do with the thing you were accusing them about.
It seems to indicates it's just a copy/past from a website, i give one exemple :

12) Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim witnesses. (Quran.24:1-13).
(A daughter accusing her father of sexual abuse,
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/img/Rape-IslamWeb.jpg)

Sourate Nour is about adultery in the first verses and then it talks about people who said calomnies against Aîcha. But you even included those verses.

24.2 The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. (...)
24.4-5 And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony (...)

Then it continues and says what people can do to proove their innocence from both sides.

Actually there's nothing about rape it's all about adultery, but you encourage people to believe the law is the same for rape.
The thing is in the Quran it doesn't talk about this case. Maybe it can be found in Hadiths.
So the question of how to proove a rape is legitime but it's not found in the Quran itself.

You also add in your quote the verses 11 to 13 (why did you included this?) who actually talk about someone who spread a false rumor about Aicha :

24.11 Lo! they who spread the slander are a gang among you. Deem it not a bad thing for you; nay, it is good for you. Unto every man of them (will be paid) that which he hath earned of the sin; and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be an awful doom.
24.12 Why did not the believers, men and women, when ye heard it, think good of their own own folk, and say: It is a manifest untruth?
24.13 Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah.

And it continues a little about Aicha .
But there's other verses you quoted who are also wrong, so i wonder if you have read them.

 

[gnostic]

But, of course, we all know that Jesus preached war because he said he brought a sword. Right?

I think that verse is about, is often misunderstood.

I don't think Jesus meant that a literal war or sword.

The way I see it, it mean belief in him or his teaching, can lead to divisions, not only against outsiders, but with each other.

For instance. If you live in a family are set in their ways, such as, for generations, they have always follow one religion or a sect of that religion, follow one custom, etc, then one day a brother or sister, son or daughter, decided to follow another religion or another sect.

What do think might happen to that family, when that one person leave the fold?

Perhaps nothing will happen. But there have been cases where such action can an possibly will divide the family. The family that hold too tightly to one's belief or custom, can or might lead to family disowning their own flesh and blood.

It doesn't have to be a real war, or real fight or real death by real weapon (e.g. sword). It can lead to a conflict, but you have to remember, not all conflicts to lead to actual war.

Surely you have heard of one leaving their Catholic or Protestant or Anglican root, can lead to turmoil in the family, even though they still follow the same bible, believe in the same god and messiah.

But of course, there have been real religious wars, where faith and politics mixed, and explode in everyone's faces, e.g. the Crusades, the great schism, the Thirty-Year's War, the Catholic-Prostestant conflict in Northern Ireland, the sectarian violence between Sunnis and Shiites, etc.

But you have to remember, Jesus was preaching to his disciples and ordinary followers of general public, and second, Jesus was never really into politics. Jesus had no military or political powers. And there were no reports of any kings, princes, noblemen, governors being in Jesus' audience and actually accepting his messages. Herod for instance met Jesus after he was arrested and was disappointed with Jesus; Herod certainly didn't become a "Christian".

So Jesus had no powers himself, and he didn't have political and military allies, so if you were to take his verse in literal sense that sword would mean war, nothing in the gospels said anything about Jesus commanding army.

The same cannot be said about Muhammad. Muhammad did have both political and military powers, and he did use them to start wars.

So you should look at the verse in its proper context. But of course, that verse does and can lead to open interpretation.

What you have to remember is, who was Jesus audience? Did they have the power to start war?

If they don't have the powers or resources to start wars, then the verse about sword, brothers turning against brothers or children rebelling their parents, must have more mundane meaning than the extremes of murders or wars.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Just because a thing is heterogeneous doesn't mean that we can't make fair and useful generalizations.

It is absurd to claim that we don't know what the core tenets of Islam are.

'Fair and useful generalization' is highly debatable. And what would be absurd is trying to tell someone they believe something when that person has, many times, told you they don't. And then insisting that your 'fair and useful generalization' should mean anything to them.