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Why do people make children?

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
The attack on capitalism is disgusting. Capitalism has done more than any other system in the world to improve the lives of the poor and trodden.
Questionable? Yes. Disgusting? Well that just means I've closed my mind to any other ideas.

As I see it, it's shortsighted and arrogant to immediately dismiss other ideas than one's own. Closedmindedness breeds ignorance.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I mean....if we exclude the millionaires or the billionaires, well, they can assure a future to their children.
What about the rest? ;)
Proletariat, Middle class. Why do they make them?
They procreate, making children who will have to undergo the parents' impositions, who will basically have no freedom, and once adults they will have to succumb in shark-infested waters. Because there are voracious sharks, that is wicked people who victimize the weakest. Only the fittest survive in capitalistic economies.

Well...I have discovered Anti-Natalism, lately...but I identify as a overpopulation believer and I am 100% convinced that all the problems we have on Earth are caused by too many people on Earth.
So I would like to understand why people do anything to have children.

It's something absolutely avoidable. There is contraception. :)


Please...only serious replies, merci beaucoup. ;)
Lots of reasons. Some people, since somebody gave birth to them, feel it's sort of a debt, to pay back humanity for giving them a birth, via their own parents. Others just love children. We raised five. I think ever since I was about 10 years old and a little toddler nephew came over and sat on my lap, in that trusting way little kids do, I wanted to be a Dad. Then having them lie on your chest as babies, while you pat them to sleep is one of the richest experiences I've ever had.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I mean....if we exclude the millionaires or the billionaires, well, they can assure a future to their children.
What about the rest? ;)
Proletariat, Middle class. Why do they make them?
They procreate, making children who will have to undergo the parents' impositions, who will basically have no freedom, and once adults they will have to succumb in shark-infested waters. Because there are voracious sharks, that is wicked people who victimize the weakest. Only the fittest survive in capitalistic economies.

Well...I have discovered Anti-Natalism, lately...but I identify as a overpopulation believer and I am 100% convinced that all the problems we have on Earth are caused by too many people on Earth.
So I would like to understand why people do anything to have children.

It's something absolutely avoidable. There is contraception. :)


Please...only serious replies, merci beaucoup. ;)
For me it was because I like kids and wanted my own. No other reason. I also believe the world is overpopulated but eventually humanity will die out anyway. It is a survival of the fittest and hopefully I have taught my kids enough to survive. I do believe that there is more good in the world then bad. Hope that suffices.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I mean....if we exclude the millionaires or the billionaires, well, they can assure a future to their children.
What about the rest? ;)
Proletariat, Middle class. Why do they make them?
They procreate, making children who will have to undergo the parents' impositions, who will basically have no freedom, and once adults they will have to succumb in shark-infested waters. Because there are voracious sharks, that is wicked people who victimize the weakest. Only the fittest survive in capitalistic economies.

Well...I have discovered Anti-Natalism, lately...but I identify as a overpopulation believer and I am 100% convinced that all the problems we have on Earth are caused by too many people on Earth.
So I would like to understand why people do anything to have children.

It's something absolutely avoidable. There is contraception. :)


Please...only serious replies, merci beaucoup. ;)

I don't have any children myself. My older brother has two children, both grown (my niece and nephew), and my niece has two children of her own. I do recall back when my brother first got married. Within a year, he was telling me that he and his wife were trying to have a child - and they obviously succeeded in that endeavor. I didn't bother to ask why; it just seemed like the natural thing for couples to want to do.

They did only have two children, which falls in line with the parameters of zero population growth while still in line with the replacement rate.

The right to procreate is a cherished human right, so I can't see treading on that. However, being that it's a major life-changing decision, it might be better if people approached it a bit more seriously rather than treating it as something that "just happens." It's not like the stork just shows up with another surprise.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
But if the son of a typical man; or even a poor man, wants to get rich, there is a pretty good chance he will be able to accomplish it. After all, most rich people start off that way.

"Many self-made millionaires have money coming in from several places, including their salaries, dividends from investments, income from rental properties, and investments they have made in other business enterprises, to name a few examples."

As a point. The poor typically don't have "salaries". Let alone multiple income streams.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The attack on capitalism is disgusting. Capitalism has done more than any other system in the world to improve the lives of the poor and trodden.
Yes. But only the fittest win.
There are winners and losers in Capitalism.
And not because of merit. Because of money. Owning money is not a merit because you often inherit it.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Answering questions with questions, especially questions that have nothing to do with what was asked, isn't how conversation works. Answer my question, then I'll answer yours.
The 50 50 is an idiom to mean that a child can genetically be predisposed to either good or evil.
It's not statistics.
It's an idiom.

;)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You mean that sex (rather than making children), which leads up to giving birth to children, is a basic biological drive?

If so, I agree. If you are talking about a biological drive to make children per se, I disagree.
My best friend is considered a trollop.
That's why she escaped her village and moved to the capital.
She has had sex with the most important and handsome men I know...we have friends in common.

But she has never got pregnant. Never had abortions.

So the thing that "sex produces babies" is so wrong in 2023, thanks to the medicine achievements in birth control.

PS: I had sex so many times in my life with different men...sex doesn't produce babies'
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I'm a moderate antinatalist.

Attempting to answer the OP, I can think of several conceivable reasons.

1. Emotional appeal; some people simply want very deeply to have descendants.
If you're rich, it does make sense.
If you are middle class or poor, it doesn't.
Some may think of that as a necessary hope of last into / contributing to a potentially "eternal" posterity.
With an overpopulated world...too many had the same idea.
It's like thinking: "I am the best, the most perfect ever, and I want to pass on my genes".
There are too many "best people" out there. So it doesn't add up
2. Achievement by proxy. Quite possibly the most unhealthy of all conceivable reasons. There are apparently many people who specifically want their biological children to exist so that they may obtain material wealth, second-hand pride, vindication or even revenge on stead of their parents. At its core it is a deep and very harmful disrespect for the very nature of children, beyond the problems of the motivation in itself.
Which is horrific, if you think about it.
Because childless people don't make children for the exact opposite reason: that is, they don't want children who will have to suffer the parent impositions, which is what traumatized them in the first place, as children. It's a trauma.
It's diabolical that some want to make others pay what they underwent as children.


Anedoctal evidence, but as it happens my biological father's family suffered from a serious case of the variety fueled by expectations of wealth (it seems to be a common maladie here in South America, or at least it was a century or so ago). My biological aunt was the youngest of six children, and all of the others were boys. Somehow that was enough for statements that she would lead the life of a "princess" and never have any need to earn her own money.
Needless to say, things just did not happen quite that way.
If a parent really wanted a child out of love, they would adopt one.
Indeed.

3. Social pressure. Even today it is not very easy to deal with expectations from friends and family that people "ought to" have children.
And that is the most squalid aspect.
People are clones of their own friends.
If my friend jumps off a cliff, I won't do the same thing, just because they do it.

Many people would do what their friends do.
 
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