Why do so few people keep the seventh day Sabbath?

[Unveiled Artist]

I would love to hear some of these traditions that God set.

Traditions are practices (oral and written) that has been kept from past generations to this day; in this case, its the teachings and practices from the bible.

Do christians just talk about god but don't do anything from the bible that mirrors what their god and jesus had taught?

JW has traditions. Catholics do. All christian denominations do. Where did they get their traditions from?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Traditions are practices (oral and written) that has been kept from past generations to this day; in this case, its the teachings and practices from the bible.

Do christians just talk about god but don't do anything from the bible that mirrors what their god and jesus had taught?

JW has traditions. Catholics do. All christian denominations do. Where did they get their traditions from?

But most of what Christians call traditions are not from the Bible. Decorating trees at Christmas is a PAGAN practice. In fact Christmas is a PAGAN day. Jesus was not born in late December. Jesus never made the "sign of the cross" or used rosary beads. Using beads and other objects for prayer is a PAGAN practice. So I am still waiting to hear ehat traditions come from the Bible.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

But most of what Christians call traditions are not from the Bible. Decorating trees at Christmas is a PAGAN practice. In fact Christmas is a PAGAN day. Jesus was not born in late December. Jesus never made the "sign of the cross" or used rosary beads. Using beads and other objects for prayer is a PAGAN practice. So I am still waiting to hear ehat traditions come from the Bible.

Like other words, it seems like christians are more concerned with the word itself and not the actual meaning and context. I never read jesus was against traditions, but those "specifically" of pagan practices.

Catholics don't own the word traditions. Its just (per definition) the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way.

It's not a PAGAN word.

 

[metis]

But most of what Christians call traditions are not from the Bible. Decorating trees at Christmas is a PAGAN practice. In fact Christmas is a PAGAN day. Jesus was not born in late December. Jesus never made the "sign of the cross" or used rosary beads. Using beads and other objects for prayer is a PAGAN practice. So I am still waiting to hear ehat traditions come from the Bible.

One could call wine and bread "PAGAN" as they had meanings before Christianity. Candles could be called "PAGAN" for the same reason. A spruce tree was used as a symbol of the Trinity, so why is that supposedly bad? The cross predates Jesus, so is having one in church "PAGAN"? Burials predate Jesus, so are they "PAGAN"?

It's rather perverse to think this way because it turns a good [symbols reminding us of a Christian teaching] into some sort of evil.

 

[McBell]

But most of what Christians call traditions are not from the Bible.

And?

Decorating trees at Christmas is a PAGAN practice. In fact Christmas is a PAGAN day. Jesus was not born in late December. Jesus never made the "sign of the cross" or used rosary beads. Using beads and other objects for prayer is a PAGAN practice. So I am still waiting to hear ehat traditions come from the Bible.

Actually, decorating trees is, in fact, in the Bible:

Jeremiah 10:1-5 KJV
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.​

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

And?


Actually, decorating trees is, in fact, in the Bible:

Jeremiah 10:1-5 KJV
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.​

I think you have missed the point completely. Yes, decorating a tree is in the Bible - as an example of a pagan custom that Christians should not follow. Next time read it a little closer.

 

[McBell]

I think you have missed the point completely. Yes, decorating a tree is in the Bible - as an example of a pagan custom that Christians should not follow. Next time read it a little closer.

Seems you are mistaken about how closely I read what you wrote:

But most of what Christians call traditions are not from the Bible.

Then your very next sentence:

Decorating trees at Christmas is a PAGAN practice.

So your very first example is, in fact, in the Bible:

Jeremiah 10:1-5 KJV
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
​

I read it close enough to point out that your second sentence made your first sentence a lie.
Now if what you wrote is a bad representation of what you meant....

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Seems you are mistaken about how closely I read what you wrote:

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Then your very next sentence:

​

So your very first example is, in fact, in the Bible:

Jeremiah 10:1-5 KJV
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
​

I read it close enough to point out that your second sentence made your first sentence a lie.
Now if what you wrote is a bad representation of what you meant....

And I completely agree that decorating trees is in the Bible. But the Bible does not say that this is a good thing that people should do. It says that it is a HRATHEN practice and Christians should not do it. But that is how many people interpret things. If the Bible syas they should not do it then they find any excusr they can to think they should do it. All of my statements were correct and accurate. Your interpretation was not correct.

 

[McBell]

All of my statements were correct and accurate.

Nope.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Hi TrueBeliever37. Good evening. The New Covenant is described in Jeremiah 31:31. In verse 33 it says: "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Yahweh: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people. " The Law is integral to the New Covenant, but it is internalized. So what you are saying about the laws being done away with is not accurate.

We have laws in the New Covenant also. But we are not under the law of Moses.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

We have laws in the New Covenant also. But we are not under the law of Moses.

Why would Jesus say to keep the commandments, and then namr several of them if people were not to keep them?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Why would Jesus say to keep the commandments, and then namr several of them if people were not to keep them?

You have to be more specific in what and where you are referring to. A testament is of no effect until the death of the testator. So if you are talking about prior to his death, they would still be under the old covenant and it's laws.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

You have to be more specific in what and where you are referring to. A testament is of no effect until the death of the testator. So if you are talking about prior to his death, they would still be under the old covenant and it's laws.

So that means it is PK to steal and kill and commit adultery now that Jesus is dead.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

So that means it is PK to steal and kill and commit adultery now that Jesus is dead.

Of course not. Those things are wrong in the New Covenant also.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Of course not. Those things are wrong in the New Covenant also.

So can you list what is different? If we still cannot steal or kill what can we do under the new covenant that we could not do under the old?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

So can you list what is different? If we still cannot steal or kill what can we do under the new covenant that we could not do under the old?

We are not under the law of Moses. We are under a new covenant which is based on love. If we love as we should we will fulfill all the righteous requirements of the law. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't steal, kill, lie, cheat, etc. The requirements under the new covenant are actually even stricter. It's no longer an eye for an eye, but it's turn the other cheek. (Which is easier to you?)

Part of what's different is it's no longer just based on commandment after commandment. We have to do everything based on love.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

We are not under the law of Moses. We are under a new covenant which is based on love. If we love as we should we will fulfill all the righteous requirements of the law. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't steal, kill, lie, cheat, etc. The requirements under the new covenant are actually even stricter. It's no longer an eye for an eye, but it's turn the other cheek. (Which is easier to you?)

Part of what's different is it's no longer just based on commandment after commandment. We have to do everything based on love.

And if we love God we will respect the special day that He blessed and made holy. Remember that He worked six days creating the universe and then rested on the seventh day. How can one say they love God with all rheir heart but do not respect and honor his special day? That is not love so you are breaking the commandment of love.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

And if we love God we will respect the special day that He blessed and made holy. Remember that He worked six days creating the universe and then rested on the seventh day. How can one say they love God with all rheir heart but do not respect and honor his special day? That is not love so you are breaking the commandment of love.

First of all, it says that the commandment of keeping the Shabbat was given to Israel in order to remember that the LORD delivered us from slavery in Egypt with a mighty hand. Gentiles simply cannot say that their ancestors went through this event. Therefore the reason for remembering the Shabbat just doesn't apply to them.

Secondly, the commandments were given to ISRAEL. "And the LORD said unto Moses, "Say unto the Children of Israel..." not unto the world. So you have to use your reasoning skills to determine which commandments are for everyone (like don't steal) and which are only for Israel (like keep the Shabbat).

 

[TrueBeliever37]

And if we love God we will respect the special day that He blessed and made holy. Remember that He worked six days creating the universe and then rested on the seventh day. How can one say they love God with all rheir heart but do not respect and honor his special day? That is not love so you are breaking the commandment of love.

Are you making all the animal sacrifices the law of Moses required?

The law was a shadow representing the real things to come. Under the new covenant the Sabbath day of rest is that eternal day of rest he will give his people when he returns. I definitely plan to keep that Sabbath without doing any work.

The scripture says not to let any man judge you in respect to the Sabbath which was a shadow of things to come. Colossians 2:16-17

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

First of all, it says that the commandment of keeping the Shabbat was given to Israel in order to remember that the LORD delivered us from slavery in Egypt with a mighty hand. Gentiles simply cannot say that their ancestors went through this event. Therefore the reason for remembering the Shabbat just doesn't apply to them.

Secondly, the commandments were given to ISRAEL. "And the LORD said unto Moses, "Say unto the Children of Israel..." not unto the world. So you have to use your reasoning skills to determine which commandments are for everyone (like don't steal) and which are only for Israel (like keep the Shabbat).

And Jesus told his followers to "keep the commandments". And the sabbath was created long before the time of Moses. God worked six days and rested on the seventh. He blessed that day and made it holy for ALL people, not just Israel. Maybe the Passover was a sign of their deliverance from slavery.