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Why do some Atheists say Christianity is harmful?

ppp

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Fits psychologically. And I do have a source here to back it. But I'm reposting it.
Oh. You're actually serious. What is the source? Is this the consensus view held by the community of professional psychologist?

I don't care if you agree. Nothing is 100%, but within the statistical range of average, it holds true.
I would never hold out 100% in psychology. That would be silly.

How could one go about determining that 50ish% of men require physical intimacy to fall in love? Is 50ish% what you mean by average? Across the board or of a specific age range? How would you conduct a controlled experiment? Most people receive some form of physical intimacy when courting, and love is often not the result. What form of physical intimacy is required? What is the diagnostic criteria for determining whether "in love" is achieved? Self-reporting would seem problematic there.

I would love to see the journal articles on these studies. Any specific article or researcher names I can plug into Google Scholar?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Oh. You're actually serious. What is the source? Is this the consensus view held by the community of professional psychologist?
Yup

It was from a. Sex therapist and researcher. Again I'm not posting the leg work for you.

Good day.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Yup

It was from a. Sex therapist and researcher. Again I'm not posting the leg work for you.

Good day.
And I am sure that your single outlier will show all those behavioral and cognitive psychologists what's what. One day.

May the roof above you never fall in, and those gathered beneath it never fall out
 

Dimi95

Прaвославие!
Someone said that catholicism is the true form of Christianity.

What we have today as catholicism is just not "all-embracing".

What we have today is the corrupt Roman Catholic Church , and that is no Christianity..

And when Atheist say that Christianity was harmfull for them , i belive them , because of this:

"All controlled through the Jesuit Order and their Knights of Malta & Teutonic Knights all based in missile protected Borgo Santo Spirito in Rome.
Pepe Orsini - Italy
Henry Breakspear - Macau, China

This is the Guelph and the Ghibelline power over mankind.
The Cecil family were controlled by the powerful Jesuit family known as the Pallavicini.
Maria Camilla Pallavicini is far more powerful than Queen Elizabeth II.
The Queen and Prince Philip are totally subordinate to the Papal Bloodline the Breakspear Family.
Please go and study who funded Elizabeth I that astronomical amount of money to fight the Spanish, yes Pallavicini.

The most powerful man right now in the conspiracy over this World is a Roman by the name of PEPE ORSINI of the powerful Roman Papal Bloodline the Orsini also known as Orso and the ancient Maximus family.
There is no one more powerful than this figure who is really the Grey Pope.
The Papal Bloodlines are the secret shadow hierarchy of the Jesuit Order even behind the Black Pope touted at the #1.

These powerful bloodlines are the,
Breakspear,Somaglia,Orsini,Farnese,Aldobrandini
You'll notice David Rothschild marrying into the Aldobrandini with the pretty, Princess Olimpia Aldobrandini.
Another real head of this is Henry Breakspear who resides now in Macau in China. Many of the Papal Bloodline heads now live in Asia and India. What does that tell you?
The current Black Pope, Adolfo Nicholas was bought forward for the position due to the Jesuits bringing about of Asia as the next power player of the agenda. Both this Black Pope and the white Pope aren't of Papal Bloodline, they are both commoners.
I've named the most powerful families on the planet. I've named the Grey Pope the one in-between the white and black but unseen.

Saturnalian Brotherhood - The Real 13 Zoroastrian Bloodlines of the Illuminati
Bloodlines of the Illuminati

House of Borja
House of Breakspeare,
House of Somaglia
House of Orsini
House of Conti
House of Chigi
House of Colonna
House of Farnese
House of Medici
House of Gaetani
House of Pamphili
House of Este
House of Aldobrandini

These Egyptian Ptolemaic Dynasty Rulers are in Full Control of the,
Company of Jesus

High Grey Council of Ten
the Black Pope
This is some good info on the Black Pope:
The 'Black Pope', Superior Jesuit General (The President of the World), speaks at Loyola 'Military Fortress' University in his un-ratified 14th Amendment 'Little Rome' D.C United States Corporation.

A corporation under International Maritime Admiralty Law (Uniform Commercial Code) based upon Vatican Canon Law and perfected by the Roman Empire.

He lies about his power, he's over the Pope as of 1814. He only serves and works with the shadow Jesuits being the Papal Bloodline Orsini's, Breakspear's, Aldobrandini's, Farnese's, Somalgia's.

Adolfo is not of Papal Bloodline, some Black Pope's have been.

The next in power beneath the Jesuits is the Bourbon, King Juan Carlos of Spain. The Roman Monarch of the World, The King of Jerusalem and SMOM Military Navigator.

This is the true World's power system right now. Adolfo serves as a military General protecting the Zoroastrianism and Mithraism mystery schools. The Jesuits were created by the Papal Bloodline Farnese during the reign of Farnese Pope Paul III.

Loyola was commissioned by Alessandro Cardinal Farnese.
The Borgia crime family created the Jesuits!

After the terrible reign of Pope Alexander VI, the Romans were disgusted with the Spanish and vowed that there would never be another Spanish Pope.
This animosity toward the Spanish was further aggravated by the Sack of Rome in 1527 in order to prevent the divorce of Henry VIII from Catherine of Aragon.
The Borgia answer to this Spanish animosity was the creation of the order of Jesuits - a quasi religious/military strike force whose members were totally dedicated to their Spanish leader who bore the military title of general.

Like the White Pope, the general is elected for life and the Jesuit dynasty is a parallel or pseudo Papacy... Of course, the general is content to run the show from behind the scenes so as not to arouse the age-old Italian hatred for the Spanish.

The Jesuit general is referred to as the '"Black" Pope at the Vatican because he always dresses in black.

The Jesuits were officially founding in 1540 by Pope Paul III. Ignatius LIEola became their first general.
Don Francis Borgia was the great-grandson of Pope Alexander VI, and co-founder of the Jesuits. On his mother's side he was descended from King Ferdinand of Aragon.

The Spanish control the Vatican through the Jesuits.

For the past 500 years, the Spanish Inquisition has controlled the Vatican by means of the Jesuits. All the Jesuits answer to their general in Rome, and he in turn is content to run the show from behind the scenes, without any publicity or public acclaim so as not to arouse the age-old Italian hostility to the Spanish...

Vaticanus

Vaticanus then is a combination of Vatic + anus, just as Romanus is a combination of Rome + anus.

Therefore, vaticanus collis or vaticanus mons mean "the prophetic hill or mountain", which can be rephrased as the hill or mountain of prophecy. The word Vatican is just a shortened form of the word Vaticanus, just like Claudian is a shortened form of Claudianus, as shown above.

This association of the Vatican with prophecy is even confirmed by this recent Catholic book:

Where does the word "Vatican" come from and what does it mean? The word derives from the Latin vates, which means "tellers of the future."
This name was the name given to a hillside on the west bank of the Tiber River in Rome because daily lineups of fortunetellers used to hawk their "wares" there to passersby on the street.

In the fourteenth century, when the papacy was returned to Rome from Avignon (France), the present-day Vatican became the residence of the popes, and the word came to refer to the enclave in the middle of Rome that had become the seat of the Roman Catholic Church."

Source: Incredible Book of Vatican Facts and Papal Curiosities, by Nino Lo Bello - 1998

Other source tells:
"The Rothschilds ancestors are the Kazarian mafia from what Is Ukraine today. The Rothschilds are known as the 13th tribe and The Name Stealers and The Fake Jews.You can research those yourselves. When the King Of Kiev found out the Kazarians were practicing satanism in the 1000s he forced them to choose one of 3 religions. Christianity Islam or Judaism. The Kazarians chose Judaism. Hence the name Fake Jews and the 13th tribe. There’s only 12 tribes of Judaism. The kazarian pretended to be Jews but still practiced satanism including child rape and child sacrifice. Anyway the King of Kiev with the help of surrounding local colleagues started slaughtering the Kazarian mafia which some fled to Europe.

They began infiltrating the Catholic Church centuries ago.

IMPORTANT!…
The Rothschilds brainwashed an Italian man called Giuseppe Mazzini in approximately the 1830s and Mazzini brought the Rothschilds Illuminati into Italy. Mazzini was the Rothschilds Illuminati protoge and representative of the Illuminati in Italy. The first Rothschilds Illuminati inserted pope was in 1958.

The Rothschilds had representatives in the USA called The Robber Barons. The Rothschilds became the most prominent and given oil deals starting Standard Oil.
The Rothschilds became the American branch of the Rothschilds now called The Deep State today. The Robber Barons with British backing (because the British Royal Family was infiltrated over 300 years ago) started the USA civil war. The Robber Barons of the north wanted all the resources of the south but the south were too Christian embedded to be infiltrated by the southern Illuminati installed slave owners. The Illuminati killed Lincoln and JFK. The Rockefellers paid back appreciation the Rothschilds by supplying land to the Rothschilds to build their United Nations building in the USA.

Importantly the Tzar of Russia Nicholas 2 at the Conference In Vienna tried to warn world leaders about the Rothschilds Illuminati NWO plan under the guise of The League Of Nations. (Another safe sounding name like WHO UN WEF) putting the Rothschilds NWO plan backwards for years. This is why the Rothschilds killed The Tzar and his family and the Rothschilds financed the Bolshevik Revolution installing Lenin and communism. Communism came from the Rothschilds Frankfurt school of Marxism and other “Isms”

The Rothschilds are Ashkenazi Jews. The Rothschilds financed Hitler creating Nazism hence the word Nazi comes from AshkeNAZI Jews. Keep in mind the Rothschilds are fake jews and they practice satanism so they don’t care about real Jews. The Rothschild actually instructed Hitler to kill Jews.

Putin kicked the Rothschilds and their banking system out of Russia when elected. And today Putin is fighting the Rothschilds organised Ukraine war."

You should try to fight the war inside , not outside ;)
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I do not know who will call upon them since that quote does not say.
To assume the minority of people who reject Baha'u'llah would be the one's calling for a Baha'i state is just ridiculous in my view. I can tell you frankly as a rejector of Baha'u'llah I would never call for a Baha'i state in a million years.
There are health risks associated with lots of activities and most of them were not banned, only alcohol and recreational drugs and certain sexual activities. The reason these were banned is because they are injurious to individuals and to society.
Sugar is injurious to individuals and society, tobacco is injurious to individuals and society. Anal sex according to you would not be effected by a law against anal sex because they could still do it in the privacy of their own home - which makes illegalising it irrelevant to the issue of societal harm that we gain from it as the harm would still be caused by private acts in my view. How do you think the Unviersal House of Justice is going to discover that Mr and Mrs Smith are buggering each other in the privacy of their own home?
Again, what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody's business.
Precisely why it's nobody's business to legislate on it - including the Haifa based Universal House of Justice.
Is there a reason why homosexuals would need to express their affections in public? I don't even like it when heterosexual couples do that, I find it offensive. I think sex should be a private thing, even kissing. I guess I am just a little old-fashioned.
You have antiquated sexual hangups thats for sure in my view. Shame you want to force your own hangups onto the rest of us.
No, they are not forbidden to marry or to have sex without the intention of producing offspring, but that is not relevant to the point. The Baha'i laws are not focused on individual situations which are not the norm, they are for society as a whole.
Gay and lesbian folk at ~10% of the population are not the norm, which makes it as irrelevant to legislate against them as it does against infertile couples in my view.
God does not say anything directly to anyone except the Messengers, who then reveal it to humanity.
Yeah like God didn't know that copper molten in its mine for seventy years wouldn't turn to gold in my view.
That is just so stupid. I chose it because I believe it is scripture that was revealed by God.
You don't believe other parts of the Bible that don't suit your bigotry yet when it comes to your "hatred" of homosexuality it is allegedly revealed by God - ha in my veiw.
I love gay people. My next door neighbors are a house of five gay men and they are the nicest people one would ever want to meet.
Their sexual activities are no concern of mine. All that matters is what kind of people they are. That is also what matters to God.
Then if how nice they are is all that matters to God your idol Baha'u'llah should stop legislating against their sex lives in my view.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
To assume the minority of people who reject Baha'u'llah would be the one's calling for a Baha'i state is just ridiculous in my view. I can tell you frankly as a rejector of Baha'u'llah I would never call for a Baha'i state in a million years.
Nobody knows who will and that is far in the future.
Sugar is injurious to individuals and society, tobacco is injurious to individuals and society. Anal sex according to you would not be effected by a law against anal sex because they could still do it in the privacy of their own home - which makes illegalising it irrelevant to the issue of societal harm that we gain from it as the harm would still be caused by private acts in my view. How do you think the Unviersal House of Justice is going to discover that Mr and Mrs Smith are buggering each other in the privacy of their own home?
The UHJ won't discover it so it is a moot point. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is only between themselves and God.
Precisely why it's nobody's business to legislate on it - including the Haifa based Universal House of Justice.
Who said they were going to legislate on it? There might be penalties but they cannot apply penalties on what they don't know about. They could apply penalties if it became public information. The same thing applies to adultery
You have antiquated sexual hangups thats for sure in my view. Shame you want to force your own hangups onto the rest of us.
I have no hangups, I just have high moral standards, and I am certainly NOT forcing my standards on anyone else.
Why does it bother you so much that I have high moral standards with regard to sex?
Gay and lesbian folk at ~10% of the population are not the norm, which makes it as irrelevant to legislate against them as it does against infertile couples in my view.
Nobody is legislating against gay people.
You don't believe other parts of the Bible that don't suit your bigotry yet when it comes to your "hatred" of homosexuality it is allegedly revealed by God - ha in my veiw.
I already told you that I have no hatred towards homosexuals. Why do you come back and contradict me?
Then if how nice they are is all that matters to God your idol Baha'u'llah should stop legislating against their sex lives in my view.
Nobody is legislating against anyone's sex lives.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The UHJ won't discover it so it is a moot point. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is only between themselves and God.
More like a moot law unless you were referring to your point about anal sex having negative consequences.
Who said they were going to legislate on it?
In my view the Haifa based Universal House of Justice when they promised to make a Baha'i state and Baha'u'llah did when he said;
'49. QUESTION: Concerning the penalties for adultery, sodomy, and theft, and the degrees thereof.
ANSWER: The determination of the degrees of these penalties rests with the House of Justice.'
Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 105-141
There might be penalties but they cannot apply penalties on what they don't know about. They could apply penalties if it became public information. The same thing applies to adultery
That's precisely why laws against sodomy are moot in my view.
I have no hangups, I just have high moral standards, and I am certainly NOT forcing my standards on anyone else.
Why does it bother you so much that I have high moral standards with regard to sex?
Begging the question, I do not see your moral standards as "high" I see them as rubbish. And your rubbish standards only bother me because you are a member of an organisation that has declared it's intentions to impose those standards on others in my view.
Nobody is legislating against gay people.
Only true in nations where Abrahamic religions have been rightfully defanged in my view.
I already told you that I have no hatred towards homosexuals. Why do you come back and contradict me?
I didn't contradict you. You said you hate homosexuality;
I do hate what I consider to be immoral behavior.

Nobody is legislating against anyone's sex lives.
Not in most western countries perhaps, but that is only because conservative manifestations of religion such as Baha'i and others either don't have the numbers or don't have the fangs to do so in my view.
 
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ppp

Well-Known Member
More like a moot law unless you were referring to your point about anal sex having negative consequences.
People who don't have anal sex subscribe to some weird prurient fetishizations and bizarre rumors about anal sex.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
More like a moot law unless you were referring to your point about anal sex having negative consequences.

In my view the Haifa based Universal House of Justice when they promised to make a Baha'i state and Baha'u'llah did when he said;
'49. QUESTION: Concerning the penalties for adultery, sodomy, and theft, and the degrees thereof.
ANSWER: The determination of the degrees of these penalties rests with the House of Justice.'
Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 105-141

That's precisely why laws against sodomy are moot in my view.
You are sure obsessed about sex, you and everyone else. I am sure glad I don't have that problem. What an utter waste of a human life.
Begging the question, I do not see your moral standards as "high" I see them as rubbish.
Ask me if I care what you think. The high standards of the Baha'i Faith is one reason I am a Baha'i.
I had the same standards before I ever heard of the Baha'i Faith.
I will never lower my standards to accommodate the thoroughly rotten morals of modern-day society.
And your rubbish standards only bother me because you are a member of an organisation that has declared it's intentions to impose those standards on others in my view.
It's too bad you cannot eliminate the Baha'i Faith. That must be very frustrating. You are beating your head against a stone wall since you cannot fight the Will of God. God's Will always prevails.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
People who don't have anal sex subscribe to some weird prurient fetishizations and bizarre rumors about anal sex.
People who don't have anal sex don't like it. Not everyone likes it.

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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Catholic clergy were some of the first to speak out against the cruel mistreatment of the native people:
we have a saying in hindi: 'sattar choohe kha ke billi haj ko chali' (after eating seventy mice, now the cat goes for a haj pilgrimage).
first the people and culture of the native people was destroyed, and then the catholics call for end to cruelty and mistreatment.
however, the mistreatment has never stopped and continues under various garbs.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You are sure obsessed about sex, you and everyone else. I am sure glad I don't have that problem. What an utter waste of a human life.
Says the person who joined an organisation which seeks to regulate people's sex lives and claims to hate homosexuality ROFL.
Ask me if I care what you think. The high standards of the Baha'i Faith is one reason I am a Baha'i.
I had the same standards before I ever heard of the Baha'i Faith.
I don't doubt your pre-exixsting hatred of homosexuality was at least one of the reasons you joined the Baha'i Faith
I will never lower my standards to accommodate the thoroughly rotten morals of modern-day society.
May modern day society return the favour by never accepting your rotten morals
It's too bad you cannot eliminate the Baha'i Faith. That must be very frustrating.
ROFL, if I was trying to eliminate the Baha'i Faith it probably would be, but critically reviewing it so that it stays the minority of wayward prejudiced folk is both a duty, a pleasure, a privelege and highly rewarding in my view.
You are beating your head against a stone wall since you cannot fight the Will of God. God's Will always prevails.
Haha, it is not God's will to intervene in human affairs in my view, perhaps God's failure to intervene is why the Baha'i Faith is spinning it's wheels as a negligible proportion of humanity. So much for "God's Will" in my view.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Says the person who joined an organisation which seeks to regulate people's sex lives and claims to hate homosexuality ROFL.
That does not change the fact that you are obsessed about homosexuality. How very sad.
I don't doubt your pre-exixsting hatred of homosexuality was at least one of the reasons you joined the Baha'i Faith
I do not hate homosexuality, I just believe it is contrary to the law of God.

I did not even know about the Baha'i Laws regarding homosexuality before I joined the Baha'i Faith, since the Aqdas was not translated into English until 1992 and I joined in 1970.
May modern day society return the favour by never accepting your rotten morals
Who cares if they modern-day society continues with their thoroughly rotten morals? That will not stop the Baha'i Faith from moving forward.
ROFL, if I was trying to eliminate the Baha'i Faith it probably would be, but critically reviewing it so that it stays the minority of wayward prejudiced folk is both a duty, a pleasure, a privelege and highly rewarding in my view.
You are not going to keep the Baha'i Faith in the minority by posting against it on this forum.
Haha, it is not God's will to intervene in human affairs in my view, perhaps God's failure to intervene is why the Baha'i Faith is spinning it's wheels as a negligible proportion of humanity. So much for "God's Will" in my view.
God only intervenes when He sends Messengers. After that the religion is in human hands. The size of the Baha'i Faith is no indicator of whether it is true, which is the only thing that matters.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
we have a saying in hindi: 'sattar choohe kha ke billi haj ko chali' (after eating seventy mice, now the cat goes for a haj pilgrimage).
first the people and culture of the native people was destroyed, and then the catholics call for end to cruelty and mistreatment.
however, the mistreatment has never stopped and continues under various garbs.
Whatever. Everyone's just venting their negativity in this thread. Not much room for understanding here. They should just lock this thread.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Whatever. Everyone's just venting their negativity in this thread. Not much room for understanding here. They should just lock this thread.

The thread is entitled

Why do some Atheists say Christianity is harmful?​

I believe the question is being answered. Obviously not to your liking but non the less, various reasons have been put forward.

And i see you venting at anyone you don't agree with.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Exactly. Jesus is a prime example. He was the teacher. He complained his students didn't understand him and he wasn't even dead yet. He was a bad teacher.

Seeing as his teachings still resonate 2,000 years after his death, I’d say that’s unfair. He did, however, recognise the limitations of his students
i do not know about what jesus taught. what we have today is paul's version and that of what was chosen to be included in the 4th century. but what perhaps he was teaching was not true. existance of god and soul, heaven and hell, redemption and emancipation, end of days and judgment, resurrection and purgatory, etc. he misguided people. in contrast, buddha teachings (500 years before jesus' time) were much truer and free of superstition.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
i do not know about what jesus taught. what we have today is paul's version and that of what was chosen to be included in the 4th century. but what perhaps he was teaching was not true. existance of god and soul, heaven and hell, redemption and emancipation, end of days and judgment, resurrection and purgatory, etc. he misguided people. in contrast, buddha teachings (500 years before jesus' time) were much truer and free of superstition.


Paul didn’t write the Gospels. And neither Christ nor Buddha committed a word to paper, so all we have of the teachings of either, is what their followers recorded at the time, and down the centuries since.
 
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