Why do some scientists reject evolution?

[FearGod]

It's actually the only thing the evolution process deals with:

"Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

FearGod, no one here is going to be willing to distort what evolution is to follow your argument.

Can't you see biological populations over successive generations,is that the case for genetic disorders and which is seldom.

Till me one good mutation that had happened and is happening that improves human being similar to the bad ones you mentioned,or no more good ones left.

 

[Iti oj]

Can't you see biological populations over successive generations,is that the case for genetic disorders and which is seldom.

Till me one good mutation that had happened and is happening that improves human being similar to the bad ones you mentioned,or no more good ones left.

you are negating environmental impact. see what i wrote about albinoism.
and their are mutations that make people immune to disease. I read about one where people whos ancestors got and survived the plague being immune to herpes

 

[dust1n]

Can't you see biological populations over successive generations,is that the case for genetic disorders and which is seldom.

Till me one good mutation that had happened and is happening that improves human being similar to the bad ones you mentioned,or no more good ones left.

You mean, besides all the mutations that occurred between us and our ancestors we share with primates? I imagine those are all good because it allowed for humans to exist in the first place.

Tiny mutation may have shaped modern humans, scientists say - Los Angeles Times

Evolution of lactose tolerance: Why do humans keep drinking milk? - Slate Magazine

(A fun one) 7 People From Around the World With Real Mutant Superpowers | Cracked.com





And, is it safe for me to anticipate a reply to my longer post... or?

 

[Muslimman]

The loss of the ability to turn off lactase production following weaning is a loss of information (i.e. a downhill change).

 

[FearGod]

I see what your saying and if this thread was about the exitance of evil I would agree that this surah covers the topic, but its not.
We are talking about design.
We are talking about genetics and mutations. Bad mutations are not evil. I do not see how that is covered in your post.

Evil has power only on our minds but not to make bad mutations or a disaster,but he may makes you feel sick while you aren't.

The evil is so weak once we have a strong believe.

Some verses from the quran

From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),- (114:4)

And say: My Lord! I seek refuge in Thee from suggestions of the evil ones, (23:97)

He enjoineth upon you only the evil and the foul, and that ye should tell concerning Allah that which ye know not. (2:169)

And let not Satan turn you aside. Lo! he is an open enemy for you. (43:62)

That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened - Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism - (22:53)

 

[FearGod]

you are negating environmental impact. see what i wrote about albinoism.
and their are mutations that make people immune to disease. I read about one where people whos ancestors got and survived the plague being immune to herpes

Why we don't have humans that walking on 4 as we have albinism and other genetic disorders and malfunctions.

 

[dust1n]

Why we don't have humans that walking on 4 as we have albinism and other genetic disorders and malfunctions.

The Family That Walks On All Fours is a BBC2 documentary that explored the science and the story of five individuals in the Ulas family in Turkey that walk with a previously unreported quadruped gait.[1] The documentary was created by Passionate Productions and was broadcast on Friday 17 March 2006. The voiceover is Jemima Harrison. A revised version of the documentary that shifts the focus away from the story of the discovery of the family and includes the views of additional scientists was shown on NOVA on 14 November 2006.[2]

Debate exists as to the nature and cause of their walking, including controversial speculation in the form of the Uner Tan syndrome that it may be a genetic throwback to pre-bipedal hominid locomotion. Nicholas Humphrey, who accompanied the documentary makers, concluded that it was due to a rare set of genetic and developmental circumstances coming together. First, their mother recalls that initially all of her 19 children started off walking with a bear-crawl (i.e. on their feet rather than their knees). Second, due to an inherited recessive genetic mutation, they have a non-progressive congenital cerebellar ataxia that impairs the balance children normally use to learn to walk bipedally. Not being able to manage the balance needed for bipedal walking, they perfected in its place their initial bear-crawl into an adult quadruped gait.

The Family That Walks On All Fours - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[FearGod]

The Family That Walks On All Fours is a BBC2 documentary that explored the science and the story of five individuals in the Ulas family in Turkey that walk with a previously unreported quadruped gait.[1] The documentary was created by Passionate Productions and was broadcast on Friday 17 March 2006. The voiceover is Jemima Harrison. A revised version of the documentary that shifts the focus away from the story of the discovery of the family and includes the views of additional scientists was shown on NOVA on 14 November 2006.[2]

Debate exists as to the nature and cause of their walking, including controversial speculation in the form of the Uner Tan syndrome that it may be a genetic throwback to pre-bipedal hominid locomotion. Nicholas Humphrey, who accompanied the documentary makers, concluded that it was due to a rare set of genetic and developmental circumstances coming together. First, their mother recalls that initially all of her 19 children started off walking with a bear-crawl (i.e. on their feet rather than their knees). Second, due to an inherited recessive genetic mutation, they have a non-progressive congenital cerebellar ataxia that impairs the balance children normally use to learn to walk bipedally. Not being able to manage the balance needed for bipedal walking, they perfected in its place their initial bear-crawl into an adult quadruped gait.

The Family That Walks On All Fours - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many persons today are walking on 4,please your refernces,photos and videos.

 

[Iti oj]

The loss of the ability to turn off lactase production following weaning is a loss of information (i.e. a downhill change).

That's does not refute my example. I do not see your point. Its n evolutionary adaptation a mutation in out genetic make up.

Why we don't have humans that walking on 4 as we have albinism and other genetic disorders and malfunctions.

That's does not refute out example. Nor is a valid point or question. As to why their are many reasons, out physical design of walking upright is controlled by more then one gene and those genes are complex. Lacking breeding opportunities to continue in tht line we will not see such.

 

[dust1n]

How many persons today are walking on 4,please your refernces,photos and videos.

Probably just those 5. Why?


[youtube]mUYEVL_2wFk[/youtube]
The Family That Walks On All Fours: Human Quadrupeds - YouTube

Full Doc:

[youtube]Jwiz-yhLpT0[/youtube]
"The Family that Walks on All Fours" - YouTube




Are you going to address my other two longer previous posts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwiz-yhLpT0

 

[outhouse]

How many persons today are walking on 4,please your refernces,photos and videos.

How many people today are mentally walking on all fours with their minds closed to educaqtion and knowledge due to theism???


That is the real question here.

 

[FearGod]

Probably just those 5. Why?


[youtube]mUYEVL_2wFk[/youtube]
The Family That Walks On All Fours: Human Quadrupeds - YouTube

Full Doc:

[youtube]Jwiz-yhLpT0[/youtube]
"The Family that Walks on All Fours" - YouTube




Are you going to address my other two longer previous posts?

Thank you for this funny movie.

i now understand why you and the others believe that human evolved by random mutations and natural selection.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Thank you for this funny movie.

i now understand why you and the others believe that human evolved by random mutations and natural selection.

I have seen this film many years ago. Very easy to tell that this is indeed real just from their posture and limbs. You can deny this all you want but does not change the inevitability of where we came from.
It could be a genetic disorder or it could be just what scientist re claiming it is.

 

[FearGod]

I have seen this film many years ago. Very easy to tell that this is indeed real just from their posture and limbs. You can deny this all you want but does not change the inevitability of where we came from.
It could be a genetic disorder or it could be just what scientist re claiming it is.

From their posture and limbs.

One more video,but evolutionist didn't like it because it isn't scientific but just a funny one.

[youtube]8fqzYxuh398[/youtube]
The Great Mistake - YouTube

 

[dust1n]

Thank you for this funny movie.

i now understand why you and the others believe that human evolved by random mutations and natural selection.

Whoa, cool! I don't think I've ever done that before.

It's even more complicated than that, cause genes aren't the only thing that determine us. There are various things in the environment that trigger certain genes to being triggered in different ways. Hey, we are all slowly learning here. But so far, genetics has been the best thing in medicine and for just helping people in that regard.

 

[Me Myself]

From their posture and limbs.

One more video,but evolutionist didn't like it because it isn't scientific but just a funny one.]

"Evolutionists" ? I thought you said you knew about evolution, why now you refer "evolutionists" as people other than you?

(Though the term could be put on the side of gravitationists)

 

[FearGod]

Whoa, cool! I don't think I've ever done that before.

It's even more complicated than that, cause genes aren't the only thing that determine us. There are various things in the environment that trigger certain genes to being triggered in different ways. Hey, we are all slowly learning here. But so far, genetics has been the best thing in medicine and for just helping people in that regard.

Fair enough.

 

[SkepticThinker]

All your examples for genetic disorders or inherited ones has nothing to do with the evolution process.

its like saying if there is drivers behind the wheels then why we have accidents,and if there is god then why there are natural accidents,how silly.

You asked for examples of bad mutations and you got them. And now you're dismissing them? Are you capable of being intellectually honest at all?

Do you realize that you're trying to tell us that inherited genes and genetic disorders have nothing to do with evolution? While at the same time claiming that you both understand evolution and accept it? Do you know how silly you sound?

Islam doesn't deal with magic,diseases can happen and disasters can happen and even the prophet PBUH had instructed people not to make a contact with a sick person and that wasn't known on his era as people thought the disease is spreading among them without knowing the reason.
Bukhari narrated that Prophet Muhammad PBUH said: "Run away from a leprosy person, like you run away from a lion".

Further, in the Sahihain, it is narrated that Prophet Muhammad PBUH said "A healthy man should not be brought near a sick person".

Prophet Muhammad PBUH said,
"If it (the Plague) appears in a land where you are residing, do not depart that land. If it appears in a land, do not enter it".

Also there are many evidences which don't work with you because you are satisfied with your own path.

The ancient Greeks knew that infectious diseases were contagious, they just weren't sure about the exact mechanisms involved. It's not exactly remarkable that they'd be able to observe that some diseases are contagious. People living in Biblical times knew that leprosy was contagious, hence the reason lepers were shunned from society.

But mutations aren't contagious diseases so I don't know why you bring it up.

Dr. Laurence Brown had converted from Atheism to Islam because he witnessed the power of god on his own children,he was a doctor and an atheist,Do i have to wait God,to come in front of me and to say "i swear i am the one who did it,believe me,please"
Many evidences but many don't want to listen,so i think it depends on each ones belief and not evidences, and as for me,if there is an evidence which i can realize and confirm that god was a myth,then i am the first one to go for atheism.

[youtube]pQGtT7DLCHw[/youtube]
How I came to Islam Dr Laurence Brown

So he healed his children with his medical knowledge and attributed it to god?

What does any of this have to do with mutations?

 

[darkendless]

You asked for examples of bad mutations and you got them. And now you're dismissing them? Are you capable of being intellectually honest at all?

This is not the first time that questions have been answered and then dismissed due to religion goggles.

The force of ignorance is strong in some.

 

[Sha'irullah]

This is not the first time that questions have been answered and then dismissed due to religion goggles.

The FORCE of IGNORANCE is strong in some.

Seemed appropriate