FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Would you please show some examples for the bad and failed random mutations .
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Why do some scientists reject evolution?
- Thread starter rusra02
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Would you please show some examples for the bad and failed random mutations .
Let's use genetic disease in general as an example
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Down's syndrome, for starters. And spare the silver linings.
how about we go with albinos which could be potential advantages in the event of a huge environmental change?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Well assuming nuclear winter is imminent...
exactly or a super volcano could explode or meter impact etc anything that blocked out most of the suns light...well then albinos would have a huge advantage, but currently it has negative impacts...
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
They wouldn't have an advantage at all. They'd be equal to people who can normally step foot outside without burning.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Another venue is noting the tailbone in humans and cases where vesigial tails actually appeared.
If not so controversial, reverse engineering also proves there are leftover dormant genes still present in living organisms including humans.
McBell
Unbound
It will be ignored just like my asking about the intentions behind the negative mutations.
The blatant double standard is most revealing.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
It sure is.
Boy, did you call that one!
I was going to bring the up as well as fetal development with tail...but I also thought the tail bone serves a purpose/
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Evolution and Gravity are both well established theories.We perhaps know more about the functioning of Evolution than we do Gravity.
Since Isaac Newton first described it, Gravity has defied an understanding of the mechanism by which masses attract each other. No one doubts that they do, they just don't have a clear picture of Why? or How?
Since Isaac Newton first described it, Gravity has defied an understanding of the mechanism by which masses attract each other. No one doubts that they do, they just don't have a clear picture of Why? or How?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
All your examples for genetic disorders or inherited ones has nothing to do with the evolution process.
its like saying if there is drivers behind the wheels then why we have accidents,and if there is god then why there are natural accidents,how silly.
Islam doesn't deal with magic,diseases can happen and disasters can happen and even the prophet PBUH had instructed people not to make a contact with a sick person and that wasn't known on his era as people thought the disease is spreading among them without knowing the reason.
Bukhari narrated that Prophet Muhammad PBUH said: "Run away from a leprosy person, like you run away from a lion".
Further, in the Sahihain, it is narrated that Prophet Muhammad PBUH said "A healthy man should not be brought near a sick person".
Prophet Muhammad PBUH said,
"If it (the Plague) appears in a land where you are residing, do not depart that land. If it appears in a land, do not enter it".
Also there are many evidences which don't work with you because you are satisfied with your own path.
Dr. Laurence Brown had converted from Atheism to Islam because he witnessed the power of god on his own children,he was a doctor and an atheist,Do i have to wait God,to come in front of me and to say "i swear i am the one who did it,believe me,please"
Many evidences but many don't want to listen,so i think it depends on each ones belief and not evidences, and as for me,if there is an evidence which i can realize and confirm that god was a myth,then i am the first one to go for atheism.
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How I came to Islam Dr Laurence Brown
its like saying if there is drivers behind the wheels then why we have accidents,and if there is god then why there are natural accidents,how silly.
Islam doesn't deal with magic,diseases can happen and disasters can happen and even the prophet PBUH had instructed people not to make a contact with a sick person and that wasn't known on his era as people thought the disease is spreading among them without knowing the reason.
Bukhari narrated that Prophet Muhammad PBUH said: "Run away from a leprosy person, like you run away from a lion".
Further, in the Sahihain, it is narrated that Prophet Muhammad PBUH said "A healthy man should not be brought near a sick person".
Prophet Muhammad PBUH said,
"If it (the Plague) appears in a land where you are residing, do not depart that land. If it appears in a land, do not enter it".
Also there are many evidences which don't work with you because you are satisfied with your own path.
Dr. Laurence Brown had converted from Atheism to Islam because he witnessed the power of god on his own children,he was a doctor and an atheist,Do i have to wait God,to come in front of me and to say "i swear i am the one who did it,believe me,please"
Many evidences but many don't want to listen,so i think it depends on each ones belief and not evidences, and as for me,if there is an evidence which i can realize and confirm that god was a myth,then i am the first one to go for atheism.
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How I came to Islam Dr Laurence Brown
There is certainly no reason why accepting Evolution (or Gravity, for that matter) would lead one towards disbelief in God. It is my understanding that a high percentage of biologists does in fact believe in the God of Abraham while accepting (and using) the knowledge of biological evolution.
dust1n
Zindīq
It's just a double standard. I mean, the Qur'an doesn't list out every mutation that has occurred, should science? But, we can move away from that.
Well, at least that's clear to me now, at wasn't earlier. I don't have way of proving that God intends for all possible mutations. First of all, there are probably 100^100^100^100^100^100 mutations that have occurred in the last 4+ million years. Second of all, I can't prove to you that God did or do not anything. There is no way of discerning what is or isn't God's will in the universe.
Third of all, and I'm trying to tell ya, that 'random' isn't so much associated with 'mutation' anymore. Mutations aren't random, they are the result of physical things happen. Everything is cause and effect in the world (unless we are speaking about atoms and smaller), or at least we generally operate on the assumption. The only sense that evolution is 'random,' which is never really a great word anyways, is that humans don't know exactly that to ever strand of DNA ever in history. But over time, billions upon trillions of changes have a occurred, and species have changed over history, and they appear to be random to us because there is no for us to possible to come up with a single reason for why the reason turned out as it did.
I mean, consider...
"In genetics, a mutation is a change of the nucleotide sequence of the genome of an organism, virus, or extrachromosomal genetic element. Mutations result from unrepaired damage to DNA or to RNA genomes (typically caused by radiation or chemical mutagens), from errors in the process of replication, or from the insertion or deletion of segments of DNA by mobile genetic elements.[1][2][3] Mutations may or may not produce discernable changes in the observable characteristics (phenotype) of an organism. Mutations play a part in both normal and abnormal biological processes, including evolution, cancer, and the development of the immune system. Mutation can result in several different types of change in sequences; these can either have no effect, alter the product of a gene, or prevent the gene from functioning properly or completely. One study on genetic variations between different species of Drosophila suggests that if a mutation changes a protein produced by a gene, the result is likely to be harmful, with an estimated 70 percent of amino acid polymorphisms having damaging effects, and the remainder being either neutral or weakly beneficial.[4] Due to the damaging effects that mutations can have on genes, organisms have mechanisms such as DNA repair to prevent mutations.[1]"
Mutation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is no emphasis here on whether it's random. We note reasons for things as they become available to us. What way would you have people take, just ascribe all that God?
Fourthly, and I'm sorry to put it this way, but if God is behind all the gazillions of mutations over history, then it really doesn't look on God's behalf, because a large portion of time, those mutations are bad for people. Why would God be intending to make this one specific gene mutation to give me green eyes, and also be intending for this one specific mutation to give my mom cancer, and this specific mutation makes being mentally handicapped, etc? You'd rather believe God is behind the mutations that kill babies and stuff, as opposed to being random?
I dunno. I have a hard time following that.Anyways. Now that I see your question a little better, I think I could answer better. I don't mean to antagonize you or anything, if I did, or to offend. It's just such a peculiar thing to be concerned with. What does it matter if God is behind every possible mutation in the world or not? But ultimately, you are asking us to prove did or didn't do something, and science already admits that it itself is not concerned with those things. Science is only what can measured and observed by everybody.
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dust1n
Zindīq
It's actually the only thing the evolution process deals with:
"Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
FearGod, no one here is going to be willing to distort what evolution is to follow your argument.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
i meant to say that diseases occur whether genetics or other kind of diseases such as plaugue in the previous times.
Every soul must taste of death, and We try you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned. (21:35)
And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives and crops; but give glad tidings to the steadfast, (2:155)
So why i have to be surprised,God is admitting doing both good and bad.
if in a case that God said that i never do bad but only good things,then i'll be 100% sure that the quran and God was just a myth,but no,he is saying it,yes its me doing it.
I see what your saying and if this thread was about the exitance of evil I would agree that this surah covers the topic, but its not.
We are talking about design.
We are talking about genetics and mutations. Bad mutations are not evil. I do not see how that is covered in your post.