Why do we find ancient references to 8 people in a large boat in diverse cultures and languages

[Aupmanyav]

But if you mean the most recent glaciation I would still say no. It was mostly limited to northern North America, northern Europe, and northern Asia.

For the people who had to move south because of the glaciation (perhaps the PIE), it was a catastrophe by snow. Their beautiful world, 'Aryanem Vaejo' was destroyed.

"A great serpent and winter, that the Daevas have created. Ten winter months are there, two summer months. And these are cold as to the water, cold as to the earth, cold as to the trees."

These were common regional floods I referred to, but not remotely parallel nor associated with the claim of Noah's Biblical flood.

Ah, the biblical flood!
Genesis 7:19 "The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep."

 

[whirlingmerc]

We find the flood story in over 100 ancient cultures due to common descent from Noah.

\Which would be consistent if all cultures trace back to Noah. One would expect some cultural memory.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Very local floods taking place at different times. They could not have been " The Flood".

Part of a post flood ice age were some catastrophic floods but not as epic as the worldwide flood of Noah.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Technically we are still in an ice age. But if you mean the most recent glaciation I would still say no. It was mostly limited to northern North America, northern Europe, and northern Asia. You might notice a trend there. There was no significant glaciation in Africa or Australia:

The only significant ice in the South, besides Antarctica which is still frozen, was in the Andes. This fails as being the source of the "flood" as well.

There would be more effect of the ice age on the Norther Hemisphere because a warm ocean in a cooling planet following the flood would be like a snow machine and stop when the oceans cooled and the ice age would end when the arctic froze over

It also is a good explanation for the numbers of vegetation eating mammoths near the arctic even during the ice age

 

[whirlingmerc]

I think there were huge floods in Europe and America when the ice-caps melted.

There also was a glacial lake in the southwest that catastrophically drained causing the Grand Canyon when it overflowed the Kaibab Upwarp

 

[Subduction Zone]

There also was a glacial lake in the southwest that catastrophically drained causing the Grand Canyon when it overflowed the Kaibab Upwarp

The Grand Canyon has a complex history. None of it involves a worldwide flood.

 

[whirlingmerc]

The Grand Canyon has a complex history. None of it involves a worldwide flood.

Actually indirectly it does.

The aftermath of the global flood was the ice age which left glacial lakes
one very large glacial luke system in the southwest overflowed catastrophically causing the Grand Canyon (and many canyons are now believed the results of a post ice age flood. )

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually indirectly it does.

The aftermath of the global flood was the ice age which left glacial lakes
one very large glacial luke system in the southwest overflowed catastrophically causing the Grand Canyon (and many canyons are now believed the results of a post ice age flood. )

No, we know that there was no flood for many reasons. Would you like to discuss them?

 

[Aupmanyav]

There also was a glacial lake in the southwest that catastrophically drained causing the Grand Canyon when it overflowed the Kaibab Upwarp.

I agree, but 45 minutes is a long time to hear it being explained. I read that Grand Canyon was the result of rise of ground rather than an ice-age flood, much like the Himalayan Canyons which were caused by rise of ground cut by already-existing trans-Himalayan rivers like Indus, Sutlej, Ganges and Brahmaputra. I am sure there must be a five minute video also on post glacial floods.

Missoula Glacial Lake

 

[Audie]

\Which would be consistent if all cultures trace back to Noah. One would expect some cultural memory.

IF all cultures traced back to a common ancestor just
4000 years ago, sure.
But that is just a made up story, as is all
the garbage people make up to re sell the
story to dupes.

 

[Audie]

Actually indirectly it does.

The aftermath of the global flood was the ice age which left glacial lakes
one very large glacial luke system in the southwest overflowed catastrophically causing the Grand Canyon (and many canyons are now believed the results of a post ice age flood. )

Post ice age. So what are those glaciers doing on
Antarctica and Greenland?
Miraculously survived the flood, did they?
Ice floats, you know.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Actually indirectly it does.

The aftermath of the global flood was the ice age which left glacial lakes
one very large glacial luke system in the southwest overflowed catastrophically causing the Grand Canyon (and many canyons are now believed the results of a post ice age flood. )

Actually... no it doesn't. You're making up (or believing) ad hoc nonsense not borne out by the evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree, but 45 minutes is a long time to hear it being explained. I read that Grand Canyon was the result of rise of ground rather than an ice-age flood, much like the Himalayan Canyons which were caused by rise of ground cut by already-existing trans-Himalayan rivers like Indus, Sutlej, Ganges and Brahmaputra. I am sure there must be a five minute video also on post glacial floods.

Missoula Glacial Lake

Yes, that is the main cause of the formation of the Grand Canyon. One of my favorite photos is of a tributary to the Grand Canyon that demonstrates this. The formation seen at Goosenecks State Park has a much simpler history than the Grand Canyon.


And Lake Missoula did not flood once, over the 2,000 year period referenced in your image it flooded on the order of forty times.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Your unbelievable repeated false assertion has been trashed many times. ALL the other floods in the different cultures of the world have been documented in detail as local and regional floods if different dates in history, and not remotely related to Noah's flood.

The only documented flood related to the Genesis account is the catastrophic flood of the Tigris Euphrates Valleys documented by Sumerian cuneiform records recorded ~1600 BCE, and confirmed by Geologic evidence of a sediment layer ~3-4 meters thick.

Flood myths are common across a wide range of cultures, extending back into Bronze Age and Neolithic prehistory. These accounts depict a flood, sometimes global in scale, usually sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution. Source: List of flood myths - Wikipedia

Source: List of flood myths - Wikipedia

 

[Shad]

For example in the Chinese pictogram for a large boat there are 8 people.
but also Egyptian hieroglyphics reference 8 people in a large barge.
Why so?
Coincidence?
Ancient evidence for Noah?

Which Hieroglyphs

 

[shunyadragon]

Flood myths are common across a wide range of cultures, extending back into Bronze Age and Neolithic prehistory. These accounts depict a flood, sometimes global in scale, usually sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution. Source: List of flood myths - Wikipedia

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Source: List of flood myths - Wikipedia

So what?!?!?! Geologist and Paleontologists have clearly recognized local and regional floods have occured all the time all over the world at different times. You need to give a more coherent argument that any of these are remotely associated with the Biblical flood. You keep repeating this statement like a broken record without providing anything beyond this that would be meaningful.

None of them could possibly be global in scale, because the primitive cultures could not comprehend the global, and second all the flood stories have been documented as specifically natural caused floods on a local and sometimes regional floods occurring at many different times, and not remotely associated with the Biblical flood.

 

[shunyadragon]

Part of a post flood ice age were some catastrophic floods but not as epic as the worldwide flood of Noah.

True, except there is no evidence for an epic flood as described in the Bible. The glacial floods were local and regional as with all the catastrophic floods in recent geologic history, and have specific natural causes.

 

[shunyadragon]

\Which would be consistent if all cultures trace back to Noah. One would expect some cultural memory.

All cultures do not trace back to Noah, most are older, and their flood stories are documented local and regional floods not associated with the mythical flood of Noah.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Flood myths are common across a wide range of cultures, extending back into Bronze Age and Neolithic prehistory. These accounts depict a flood, sometimes global in scale, usually sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution. Source: List of flood myths - Wikipedia

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Source: List of flood myths - Wikipedia

Yes, different cultures have different flood myths. So what?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

For example in the Chinese pictogram for a large boat there are 8 people.
but also Egyptian hieroglyphics reference 8 people in a large barge.
Why so?
Coincidence?
Ancient evidence for Noah?

We don't.

The closest story to Noah's flood is the Sumerian version, which is likely the precursor. However, it is substantially different. The story was altered in many ways over time.

The fact that there are flood myths, however different, in many other cultures, simply speaks to how traumatic local floods can be.

The necessary geological evidence for a global flood is simply missing, and there are ample logistical problems with the story of Noah's ark. It is strictly a teaching story about the nature of man and the nature of God.