Why do you assume the answer others give you.

[Spirit of Light]

If you already knew it would not be answered, why ask?

Because the answer has never been given in RF, so I still hope someone actually one day answer.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Often in discussion one can hear "I assume you mean this"
And what the assumption is, are far apart from the actual answer given.

Why do you assume you understand the answer is something else than give to you?

And why do you twist an answer given to you to suddenly mean the opposite of what was said?

Consider this possibility:

- they're stating their interpretation ofwhat you said to avoid any misunderstandings.

- it can differ quite a bit from your intended meaning because what you said supports multiple interpretations (even ones that are far from what you intended).

You often post vague hypothetical questions and statements (e.g. your OP in this thread) that leave people guessing about what you're talking about and why you posted them. I know that I often find it difficult to figure out what point you're trying to make.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Consider this possibility:

- they're stating their interpretation ofwhat you said to avoid any misunderstandings.

- it can differ quite a bit from your intended meaning because what you said supports multiple interpretations (even ones that are far from what you intended).

You often post vague hypothetical questions and statements (e.g. your OP in this thread) that leave people guessing about what you're talking about and why you posted them. I know that I often find it difficult to figure out what point you're trying to make.

In this thread it is question why some will reply with " I assume you meant this" and they explain what they think I said. I looking for the answer " why do they make their own conclusion and assume this is what I mean"

Both spiritual question and answer are never clear cut, only one answer.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In this thread it is question why some will reply with " I assume you meant this" and they explain what they think I said. I looking for the answer " why do they make their own conclusion and assume this is what I mean"

Both spiritual question and answer are never clear cut, only one answer.

I think your question has two parts:

- why do people state the meaning they interpret in your posts? This is just good practice to avoid misunderstandings.

- why is the interpretation they give you far off from what you intended? That might call for some reflection on your part: if it's only occasionally, then maybe it's their fault for not reading carefully. If it happens a lot, then maybe your posts are unclear.

... and the fact that you created a thread to talk about this suggests to me that it happens a lot.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think your question has two parts:

- why do people state the meaning they interpret in your posts? This is just good practice to avoid misunderstandings.

- why is the interpretation they give you far off from what you intended? That might call for some reflection on your part: if it's only occasionally, then maybe it's their fault for not reading carefully. If it happens a lot, then maybe your posts are unclear.

... and the fact that you created a thread to talk about this suggests to me that it happens a lot.

Just to clerify

This thread is not just about me, yes I have experienced that some members use assumption toward me, but it is seen in many other people's OP or thread answer.

Every time I make a new OP it isn't about me automatically

 

[ChristineM]

Do I???

That is strange because I didn't and still dont.

In your opinion. And i am not arguing with you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In your opinion. And i am not arguing with you.

Because I know my own thoughts and what they mean.

 

[ChristineM]

Because I know my own thoughts and what they mean.

I am not a mind-reader but i can read what you write.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am not a mind-reader but i can read what you write.

Yes it is written words
But some few others put their thoughts in to what is written

 

[ChristineM]

Yes it is written words
But some few others put their thoughts in to what is written

You write them making the accusation that people don't understand your posts. I answered what i considered is the reason in the majority of cases.

You went on to accuse those disagreeing with you of " people who have no religious beliefs."

I do not believe this to be true and have explained the reason why.

You then switched to "atheists"

I am not really interested in waffle and copouts, just your OP. Which it seems to me you have not considered very well but rather you are just digging at those who disagree with you.

I will be honest here, i think Sufism suited you far better then where you are going now.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Why do you think wise people are so highly revered?

I'm not sure they are, are they?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Yes it is written words
But some few others put their thoughts in to what is written

Everyone does that, tbf. Reading involves the interpretation of symbols. I only have my own experience and my own understanding, with which to interpret what's written. So naturally I project my own perspective, onto messages I receive from the world around me, including the written word.

 

[Brian2]

Why is it that every time someone ask a "critical question" the ones who are ssked turn it bsck at the questionair?

Is it difficult to answer question without asking back?

I think that can be a debating tactic and it can be a way to avoid answering the questions and it can be an answer in itself if the returned question is the right one and shows or highlights an error in what the other person has said.
Sometimes it might be all of those,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or none.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Just to clerify

This thread is not just about me, yes I have experienced that some members use assumption toward me, but it is seen in many other people's OP or thread answer.

Every time I make a new OP it isn't about me automatically

See... this touches on an example of something unclear: when someone starts an OP like yours, the implication is that it's for an issue that the OP cares about. A reasonable inference is that they care about it because of their own experience dealing with the issue.

But how many times has this happened that you create an OP, multiple people respond as if it's specifically about you and then you have to correct them?

More to the point, how many times will it have to happen before you acknowledge that your OPs were unclear?

 

[Heyo]

I'm not sure they are, are they?

I guess the reverence for wisdom has faded over time. People today would probably use "intelligent". But in former times a king with the byname "the wise" would have been on the same level as Solomon.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I guess the reverence for wisdom has faded over time. People today would probably use "intelligent". But in former times a king with the byname "the wise" would have been on the same level as Solomon.

Even in ancient times, wisdom could get you killed though. Socrates and Jesus are two who could testify to that. Wise leaders are rare, Solomon appears to have been the exception to the rule. Which was your point in the first place, I suppose.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I asked a question in OP nobody has yet given a clear answer.

And it will not be given.
….

Actually, at least @KWED on page 1, and @9-10ths_Penguin here on page 3 have quite sufficiently answered your OP question.

Saying “I assume you mean……”. is a commonly used parlance for clarifying either a statement that is written too vaguely (whether the writer acknowledges the poor quality of their own statement or not): or, and this is very common in RF debates…..for bringing home to the author of a statement, the fact that the statement can (and often is) interpreted in a way that would directly oppose what the author has been suggesting all along (See @KWED posts on page #1).



@Seeker of White Light
Wisdom does not come with age. It comes from experience, followed by time taken to reflect upon those experiences.
Similarly, the answers you seek do not come with more posts in your aging thread, but rather taking the time to think about the responses you have been given.

 

[Heyo]

Even in ancient times, wisdom could get you killed though. Socrates and Jesus are two who could testify to that. Wise leaders are rare, Solomon appears to have been the exception to the rule. Which was your point in the first place, I suppose.

There were a few: List of people known as the Wise - Wikipedia.
But yes, my original point was that wise people are hard to come by.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Words have meanings. Based on those meanings, statements often have implications that the person may not have intended or realised. This often seems to happen in religious apologetics - possibly because the apologist repeats platitudes with no thought to their implications.

Example.
A: "Evil" is not following god's law
B: So homosexuals are evil, because homosexuality is not following god's law
A: I didn't say that!

I have seen such conversations so many times here on RF that it's impossible to count them now. It often comes up in threads where there are multiple back-and-forth posts, on a given topic. And then, the insertion of something like your first A: statement, while it does not address the topic of the thread (homosexuality, abortion, drinking too much wine, gambling or whatever), can only be assumed, in the context in which the statement is made, to refer to the topic of the thread.

You have provided an excellent example.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Often in discussion one can hear "I assume you mean this" And what the assumption is, are far apart from the actual answer given. Why do you assume you understand the answer is something else than give to you? And why do you twist an answer given to you to suddenly mean the opposite of what was said?

If the answer had already been given, it wouldn't be necessary to clarify what it was. If the assumption and subsequent answer were far apart, whose fault is that? Why was the poster so badly misunderstood? And there is no twisting answers because no answer has been provided to twist. Apparently, you think that you communicate things clearly that others deliberately misrepresent. Consider an alternate interpretation.

Isn't it easier to ask " what do you actually mean by that?"

No. Some people just can't properly answer open ended questions. You have to give them suggested answers to make progress. I saw this in clinical practice frequently. A patient comes in saying that he feels sick. What kind of sick, the doc asks. Real sick - sick as a dog. Can you explain what you mean by that (your suggested question)? Yeah, I just don't feel good.

At this point, it's necessary to begin asking the kinds of questions you call twisting the answers: Are you having diarrhea? Why would you assume that, doc? It's my breathing.

Here's another common example: How long have you been having trouble breathing? It's been a spell, doc. When did it begin? Back when I had to take the pick-up in for brakes. When was that? Just before I lost my job. [Here's where the "assuming" comes in - one just simply has to put words in the other guy's mouth to make any progress]. So three months, then? No, it was last August.

It's the same here. With many posters, you simply never get a responsive answer, and if you want to know more, you have start "assuming." Try to get somebody to describe the deity that they claim exists, or what they mean by love one another. It's not going to happen without prompting and cuing, and even then, good luck. Sometimes it's all "That's not what I meant" without actually saying what it is they DID mean, so that's a dead horse.

Hope that answers your question.