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Why do you believe in religion?

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
When you are born, you have no concept of religion, parents put that idea in your head. I would like your thoughts on my idea.

When you are born, you have no concept of even who you are, parents give you a name and by repetition, put the idea in your head that that it is who you are!
The same with religion, sure, parental influence is a factor to begin with, but there is much more to it. As we live, experience, and grow, our concept of what and who we are will always be changing also. The same applies to our present concept (religious or otherwise) of the cosmic environment from which our existence emerged and is dependent on,..it also will undergo change.
 
Once, in my early 20's, I asked my dad if he was happy with the way his kids had turned out. (I was the youngest and my mom died years earlier.) He said he was very pleased, but gave most of the credit to our church. He would have been lost without it.

My religion is the greatest gift my parents ever gave me.

I'm glad that your faith has been such a blessing to you! :) It certainly wouldn't be as widespread today as it is if it didn't have some major redeeming qualities. (Get it? Redeeming? I kill me.) :sorry1:

I too have experienced spiritual feelings and I know that a firm belief in god can help us get through very troubling times. I'll admit, its a wonderful feeling.

Nevertheless, this debate is about why you believe in god, not what god has done for your life. It would seem that most agree that religion is passed on by parents.
 

wednesday

Jesus
My Mother was Jewish and my father Christian backgrounds, they never passed anything on to me. The people i work with who are around my age and religious, have had it shoved down their throats and believe god will ge them out of any bad situation. Its hard to talk common sense into those sort of people sadly.
If we all didn't believe in religion we would have to think for ourselves and priests would have to busk for a living.
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
Nevertheless, this debate is about why you believe in god, not what god has done for your life. It would seem that most agree that religion is passed on by parents.

I answered the question in my earlier post. "They had something good and I recognized it." They--meaning my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.
When young, I leaned on the testimony of my parents. They believed it and I trusted them. Eventually we all have to develop our own testimony. (Testimony=a personal conviction of the truth.) This came gradually throughout my life as I tested the principles I was taught, and found them to work.

I believe in God because he has spoken to me. He has answered my prayers with thoughts and feelings that I know didn't come from me. With every commandment there is a blessing attached. As I live each commandment, I have received each blessing. It works. Simple as that. Plus I see in very obvious ways, the benefits of living the gospel. I see it in my family--those that live the gospel HAVE BETTER LIVES on average.

I have really pondered what it would be like to be atheist. I can hardly imagine it. What a horrible, hopeless, pointless, lonely, terminal, and frightening life. If you can handle it, then that's fine for you. I am endlessly grateful I don't have to.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
I have really pondered what it would be like to be atheist. I can hardly imagine it. What a horrible, hopeless, pointless, lonely, terminal, and frightening life. If you can handle it, then that's fine for you. I am endlessly grateful I don't have to.

It isn't that bad... I think I'd prefer being an atheist over not... At least now I don't have to try to be good for fear of being sent to hell...
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
It isn't that bad... I think I'd prefer being an atheist over not... At least now I don't have to try to be good for fear of being sent to hell...
Perhaps you've had a limited exposure to religion that didn't set well. I think I'd feel the same as you concerning many of today's religions. Mine is different. I don't do what I do out of fear.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Perhaps you've had a limited exposure to religion that didn't set well. I think I'd feel the same as you concerning many of today's religions. Mine is different. I don't do what I do out of fear.

I'd love to believe in some sort of religion, because it would make my existance feel important, but I just cannot force myself to think something is true...

Anyway though, I know that my entire existance is worthless, but I don't mind... I am here anyway, so I am going to try to enjoy it until I die and decay wherever my corpse winds up.
 
Kosmin and Lachman wrote a book that is titled "One Nation Under God." Billy Graham endorses the book, but I do not have any idea why. The authors provide lots of documented research that shows that in the U.S., the primary factors that influence religious beliefs are geography, family, race, ethnicity, gender, and age. Those factors are entirely secular, and do not indicate that God has anything to do with the spread of Christianity in the U.S. It is reasonable to conclude that the Gospel message has always been spread entirely by human effort according to the prevailing inefficient means of communication, transportation, printing and translation of a given time period.

In the first century, God played favorites and made sure that no one who live far away from Palestine would hear the Gospel message. He also made sure genetically that a much higher percentage of women in the U.S. would be Christians than men. Women are more emotional than men are, so it is quite natural that they are more likely to become Christians than men are. If the reverse was the case, it would still be discrimination on God's part. God also made sure genetically that elderly people would be much less willing to change their worldviews than younger people. God is very discriminatory. Discrimination is not a good thing.

It is quite odd that there is not any credible evidence that God has ever personally told one single person about the Gospel message, and yet he supposedly wants Christians to tell people about it. This indicates that the spread of the Gospel message has never actually been of much importance to God.

If the universe is naturalistic, all tangible benefits would be distributed indiscriminately according to the laws of physics without any regard for a person's needs, worldview or requests. If God exists, it is quite odd that he would make it appear to millions of people that he does not exist by mimicking a naturalistic distribution of tangible benefits, especially considering the supposed fact that Jesus went out his way to make sure that people believed that God is able to discriminately distribute tangible benefits.

If the Bible didn't say that God will send believers to heaven, Christians would reject the same quality of evidence they accept now. Why is that? Since they trust the Bible now, they ought to trust it even if the eventual outcome did not promise to reward them with a comfortable eternal life. Christians are not nearly as interested in what the evidence IS as they are interested in what the evidence PROMISES. That is because of their emotional perceived self interest. Christians will only accept an outcome that is favorable to them. The same is true regarding many non-Christian theists.
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
I'd love to believe in some sort of religion, because it would make my existance feel important, but I just cannot force myself to think something is true...

Anyway though, I know that my entire existance is worthless, but I don't mind... I am here anyway, so I am going to try to enjoy it until I die and decay wherever my corpse winds up.

Exactly my point. I have never felt worthless. I have always felt loved, and enormously important to God.
Your mindset is tragic. But there is a way out of it. Many have found it, and the non-believers will continue to discourage it. Why? Misery must really love company.

I believe many of today's religions would drive ME to atheism. Mine is the only one I know, that makes sense to me.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Exactly my point. I have never felt worthless. I have always felt loved, and enormously important to God.
Your mindset is tragic. But there is a way out of it. Many have found it, and the non-believers will continue to discourage it. Why? Misery must really love company.

I believe many of today's religions would drive ME to atheism. Mine is the only one I know, that makes sense to me.

Nihilism is the only thing that makes sense to me... I am not miserable... I feel that we are all entirely worthless, but that doesn't mean I have to be miserable... We all still exist, and we can still have fun with life before we die.
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
Nihilism is the only thing that makes sense to me... I am not miserable... I feel that we are all entirely worthless, but that doesn't mean I have to be miserable... We all still exist, and we can still have fun with life before we die.

There is so much more to life than fun. (Though fun is towards the top of my list!) You are missing out.
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
I don't think I am... I don't see what could be a better thing to do with your life than enjoy it, and have fun...
Experiencing joy. Anticipating eternal progress and growth. Knowing that your spouse whom you've loved many years, will always be with you. Anticipating eternal family relationships. Looking forward to being with parents and other loved ones again. Never fearing death. Loving life and knowing it only gets better.

Like I said, fun is great. But there is much more.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Experiencing joy. Anticipating eternal progress and growth. Knowing that your spouse whom you've loved many years, will always be with you. Looking forward to being with parents and other loved ones again. Never fearing death. Loving life and knowing it only gets better.

Like I said, fun is great. But there is much more.

I don't fear death... It kind of sucks that I have to stop being alive at some point, but it's no big deal... I am a really clam person if I'm on the right meds. :D Two advil cold and sinus pills should do the trick...
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Experiencing joy. Anticipating eternal progress and growth. Knowing that your spouse whom you've loved many years, will always be with you. Anticipating eternal family relationships. Looking forward to being with parents and other loved ones again. Never fearing death. Loving life and knowing it only gets better.

Like I said, fun is great. But there is much more.

So, wouldn't those things be fun? Aren't they something you enjoy?
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
I don't fear death... It kind of sucks that I have to stop being alive at some point, but it's no big deal... I am a really clam person if I'm on the right meds. :D Two advil cold and sinus pills should do the trick...

I'd like to remember this conversation for the next time an atheist tries to talk me out of religion. (Which you haven't attempted to do and I appreciate that.)
This entirely reinforces my reasons for believing in God. Thanks.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
I'd like to remember this conversation for the next time an atheist tries to talk me out of religion. (Which you haven't attempted to do and I appreciate that.)
This entirely reinforces my reasons for believing in God. Thanks.

That doesn't make sense to me, but okay. :D

Seriously, I think if people can actually belive in god, that is great, just as long as they don't treat me like I am stupid and am going to go to hell and whatnot... If religion makes you happy, then hooray for you. :D But I, of course, cannot force myself to believe something that I honestly think is completely ridiculous...

But to everyone who has a religion, and it makes them happy, and they aren't mean to people who disagree, hooray for them! Because that would be a great way to live. :D
 

Syphros

Errmm... You what now?
I have asked my (Non-atheist) friends time and time again why they believe in religion, and none of them can give me a good reason, so I did some thinking and I think I've got it.

THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE BELIEVE IN RELIGION IS BECAUSE OF PARENTS!

When you are born, you have no concept of religion, parents put that idea in your head. I would like your thoughts on my idea.

Rubbish...

Here's my reasoning: The sooner we realise that we'll never get along unless we are controlled, why not let that ruler be God. It is perfect as God want for us only to get along...
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Rubbish...

Here's my reasoning: The sooner we realise that we'll never get along unless we are controlled, why not let that ruler be God. It is perfect as God want for us only to get along...

I can perfectly well get along with everyone without being controlled, as can most people. You find it makes your life easier to be controlled, and you aren't the only one. That doesn't mean we need to be. I'd rather live free myself.
 

Syphros

Errmm... You what now?
I can perfectly well get along with everyone without being controlled, as can most people. You find it makes your life easier to be controlled, and you aren't the only one. That doesn't mean we need to be. I'd rather live free myself.

What is freedom? We are constantly at the mercy of our respective governments and the universe.

I can understand you reasoning, but I meant being ruled by God as in a major influence rather than a figurehead.
 
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