Why do you cry if you are a atheist ?

[A Vestigial Mote]

There's NO ONE atheist according to me. All are theists.
Actually, atheists pretend to be atheists, but's in reality they aren't.

Then I will not, ever, take you seriously. To be honest, I didn't already, based on our previous interactions it is obvious you harbor serious deficits in your ability to assimilate certain ideas. This statement from you is pure denial. I only wish you could see things from my perspective. There isn't an ounce of me that is "theist." My disbelief in "God" (what a freaking joke) is probably the easiest thing to maintain of any detail of my entire personality.

And from that point of view, yes they are also humans, and yes they also have all human emotions by default

So, if someone were to be shown NOT to be a "theist," then they wouldn't be human? What? That's basically what you are saying here, and it is one of the dumbest things I have read on RF, hands down. "From that point of view" (meaning the point of view that views everyone as at least "secret" theists), "they are also humans" - which implies that if you couldn't take that point of view, you wouldn't consider them to be humans. Granted, you don't say it directly... but I feel this is more of a Freudian Slip type of situation. You would never catch me saying such things. For example, I would never even think to say:

"Theists are actually just atheists who pretend to be theists. None of them really believe in God, they are all just pretending to in order to annoy the atheists who admit it to themselves. And from that standpoint, yes they are also humans. Lucky for them they really are atheists underneath, or they wouldn't be!"

And that is because I THINK before I post things. My mind filters out the garbage for me. Yours does not.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

There's nothing to laugh, nothing to be egoist, nothing to be pride.

Do you understand that you informing an atheist that they are actually a theist (in other words - informing them what their own thoughts are) is INCREDIBLY arrogant? That's your ego attempting to get others around you to conform to your ideas and methods.

 

[chinu]

I think I am a true atheist, but that does not take away my humanity. Especially in my old age, I have grown quite emotional. It embarrasses me before my grandchildren, but I cannot help it. If I see a soap opera where people suffer or when I see peoples' success stories, getting ahead in spite of poverty, that brings tears to my eyes. How does crying or a few tears in the eye mean that I have become a God follower? As you know, Chinu, there are tears of joy/happiness as well.

No am NOT taking about tears of joy/happiness. There are tears when we cut and cook onions, neither am taking about that

Am JUST talking about the tears which comes out during helplessness. When one is helpless from all worldly efforts, but still don’t get any solution to a very serious problem of some kind.

 

[SalixIncendium]

There's NO ONE atheist according to me. All are theists.
Actually, atheists pretend to be atheists, but's in reality they aren't.

And from that point of view, yes they are also humans, and yes they also have all human emotions by default

 

[chinu]

Actually, you are an atheist pretending to be a theist, which is obvious because you are laughing.

No man can always stay laughing all the time, even ME.
Who knows when circumstances gets change to make one cry ? Human laugh is NOT permanent, its just temporarily.

Sometimes, I cry a lot when am in some kind of big trouble, or tough situations, when such situations seems impossible to overcome WITHOUT any divine help.

My problems are solved by divine, or not. Its another good topic of discussion. But, yes I cry.
Now, am atheist or theist. You decide on your own

 

[Jedster]

No man can always stay laughing all the time, even ME.
Who knows when circumstances gets change to make one cry ? Human laugh is NOT permanent, its just temporarily.

Sometimes, I cry a lot when am in some kind of big trouble, or tough situations, when such situations seems impossible to overcome WITHOUT any divine help.

My problems are solved by divine, or not. Its another good topic of discussion. But, yes I cry.
Now, am atheist or theist. You decide on your own

Well, I think you are atheist who thinks he is a theist.
I know it takes a while to accept..
You will arrive soon.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Am JUST talking about the tears which comes out during helplessness. When one is helpless from all worldly efforts, but still don’t get any solution to a very serious problem of some kind.

If I am helpless then no God will help me. They say "God helps those who help themselves". So, it is useless praying to a God. Better believe in yourself and try your best. But remember what Gita said. "Your right extends only to performing your action, the result of your action is not under your control", (there are many other factors involved).

 

[chinu]

When my aunts arm was severed in a bomb explosion i cried, no god involved, just terrorists in the name of god.

When my twins were awarded joint first in class i cried, really they should not even have been born, they were despite the odds and are both successful students

When my husband was diagnosed with cancer, i cried, do you expect any other reaction from a human being? All human beings...

Sympathy.

Crying is a natural response to emotion, no god required.
You really need to learn some psychology before making bold and untrue statements.

Many times I have seen atheists making statements like... Why God did this to me ? what was my mistake ?

My question is.. Why to blame any such thing that DOES NOT exit ?

 

[chinu]

Well, I think you are atheist who thinks he is a theist.
I know it takes a while to accept..
You will arrive soon.

Perhaps it may happen. anything can happen.
But, at this time am NOT

 

[chinu]

If I am helpless then no God will help me. They say "God helps those who help themselves". So, it is useless praying to a God. Better believe in yourself and try your best.

I NEVER said that "God" always help helpless. You got something wrong.

Yes God only help those who help themselves first. But, this doesn't mean one may NOT pray God.

It works something like this example below:

When a baby tries to standup and walk, parents always give their hand to help baby learn walking.
BUT, what if baby doesn't tries at all ? No parents can help.

But remember what Gita said. "Your right extends only to performing your action, the result of your action is not under your control", (there are many other factors involved)

Example:

Someone want to reach somewhere on specific time and there's lot of traffic on the way.
In such a situation its one's duty keep driving car, one will reach or NOT, its not under control, yes.

Now, in this situation.
Keep on driving a car = trust in God, which is ALSO = Praying.

Trust and praying always walk along with, NO one out both can ever walk alone.

 

[chinu]

So now you speak for the entire population of the world?

Of course am speaking for the entire population.

Some people are 99% theistic
Some people are 98% theistic
Some people are 97% theistic
Some people are 75% theistic
Some people are 25% theistic
Some people are 10% theistic
Some people are 5% theistic
Some people are 2% theistic
Some people are 1% theistic
There's almost all types of (%) percentage of theists in this world.
But, the only that DOES NOT exist are 100% & 0%

More the cruel, less the theistic.
More the theistic, less the cruel.

Its true that sometimes cruel people sounds atheists. That's why "Jesus Christ" said; "Hate sin, NOT the sinner"

There's "Light" inside everyone, the only difference is.. The mirror of some hearts contain less dirt, and some contain more dirt on them to reflect the inside "Light" out.

 

[ChristineM]

Sympathy.


Many times I have seen atheists making statements like... Why God did this to me ? what was my mistake ?

My question is.. Why to blame any such thing that DOES NOT exit ?

Thanks for the sympathy, but not needed really, with no god to blame we atheists knuckle down and face or solve the problem ourselves.

Please provide some sort of evidence of what you claim. Not believing in a god usually means one does not blame Harry Potter, Winnie the Poo a god or any other fiction for anything. I really have serious doubts about that claim

 

[ChristineM]

Of course am speaking for the entire population.

Some people are 99% theistic
Some people are 98% theistic
Some people are 97% theistic
Some people are 75% theistic
Some people are 25% theistic
Some people are 10% theistic
Some people are 5% theistic
Some people are 2% theistic
Some people are 1% theistic
There's almost all types of (%) percentage of theists in this world.
But, the only that DOES NOT exist are 100% & 0%

More the cruel, less the theistic.
More the theistic, less the cruel.

Its true that sometimes cruel people sounds atheists. That's why "Jesus Christ" said; "Hate sin, NOT the sinner"

There's "Light" inside everyone, the only difference is.. The mirror of some hearts contain less dirt, and some contain more dirt on them to reflect the inside "Light" out.

How egotistical of you, is that what religion does for you???

Your percentages do not include me, for i am 100% atheist, more than that i know (KNOW) there is no god. Nor does it include my husband and children, nor does it include a good percentage of the people i know. I am just one person and personality know well over 200 admitted atheists. How many more people are you selectively excluding from your list?

Fyi...

Atheism :: disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less

Precise figures are impossible to get because in some countries (and some states) admitting to atheism is a good way of getting dead. Yes there are still religionists out there with so much hate that they would rather kill an atheist than consider their viewpoint

 

[chinu]

Thanks for the sympathy, but not needed really, with no god to blame we atheists knuckle down and face or solve the problem ourselves.

Once, both Theist and Atheist was stuck on the roof surrounded by continuous rising water caused by floods. Everyone was praying for their lives. Suddenly a boat appeared to save life.

Theist refused to get into the boat by saying.. that he has faith in God and will be saved by God.
Whereas, Atheist jumped into the boat by saying.. "We atheists knuckle down and face or solve the problem ourselves"

Now, God laughed at BOTH of them.
And said; you both are wrong because that boat was sent by me. I never come in person to save anybody's life. I always come in some form or another

Please provide some sort of evidence of what you claim. Not believing in a god usually means one does not blame Harry Potter, Winnie the Poo a god or any other fiction for anything. I really have serious doubts about that claim

Now, my hand up.
You win, I loose

 

[chinu]

How egotistical of you, is that what religion does for you???

Your percentages do not include me, for i am 100% atheist, more than that i know (KNOW) there is no god. Nor does it include my husband and children, nor does it include a good percentage of the people i know. I am just one person and personality know well over 200 admitted atheists. How many more people are you selectively excluding from your list?

Fyi...

Atheism :: disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less

Precise figures are impossible to get because in some countries (and some states) admitting to atheism is a good way of getting dead. Yes there are still religionists out there with so much hate that they would rather kill an atheist than consider their viewpoint

Got angry ?

 

[chinu]

Then I will not, ever, take you seriously. To be honest, I didn't already, based on our previous interactions it is obvious you harbor serious deficits in your ability to assimilate certain ideas. This statement from you is pure denial. I only wish you could see things from my perspective. There isn't an ounce of me that is "theist." My disbelief in "God" (what a freaking joke) is probably the easiest thing to maintain of any detail of my entire personality.

So, if someone were to be shown NOT to be a "theist," then they wouldn't be human? What? That's basically what you are saying here, and it is one of the dumbest things I have read on RF, hands down. "From that point of view" (meaning the point of view that views everyone as at least "secret" theists), "they are also humans" - which implies that if you couldn't take that point of view, you wouldn't consider them to be humans. Granted, you don't say it directly... but I feel this is more of a Freudian Slip type of situation. You would never catch me saying such things. For example, I would never even think to say:

"Theists are actually just atheists who pretend to be theists. None of them really believe in God, they are all just pretending to in order to annoy the atheists who admit it to themselves. And from that standpoint, yes they are also humans. Lucky for them they really are atheists underneath, or they wouldn't be!"

And that is because I THINK before I post things. My mind filters out the garbage for me. Yours does not.

Do you understand that you informing an atheist that they are actually a theist (in other words - informing them what their own thoughts are) is INCREDIBLY arrogant? That's your ego attempting to get others around you to conform to your ideas and methods.

Firstly, you question many different things at one same time.
Secondly, you assume many things on your own.

Therefore, as usual, you win, I loose.

Peace ?

 

[ChristineM]

Got angry ?

Nope, just pointing out your error

 

[ChristineM]

Once, both Theist and Atheist was stuck on the roof surrounded by continuous rising water caused by floods. Everyone was praying for their lives. Suddenly a boat appeared to save life.

Theist refused to get into the boat by saying.. that he has faith in God and will be saved by God.
Whereas, Atheist jumped into the boat by saying.. "We atheists knuckle down and face or solve the problem ourselves"

Now, God laughed at BOTH of them.
And said; you both are wrong because that boat was sent by me. I never come in person to save anybody's life. I always come in some form or another

Ahh an irrelevant tail with no proof it ever happened, i understand.

Now, my hand up.
You win, I loose

Yup, i know, thanks for your honesty

 

[Aupmanyav]

Keep on driving a car = trust in God, which is ALSO = Praying.

What difference will it make? Or you may curse those who created the jam. That also does not help. In that case, Krishna's advice is not to get disturbed.

"mātrā-sparśās tu kaunteya, śītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ;
āgam apāyino ’nityāh, tāṁs titikṣasva, Bhārata."

From sensory perception arise happiness and sorrow, which are like winter and summer. Their appearance and disappearance is impermanent, O Descendant of Bharata, just try to tolerate them.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Peace ?

Stop telling me what, as an atheist, I simply must be thinking and sure, peace.

Keep trying to inform me what my thoughts must be because I am an atheist, however, and we'll continue to have conversational problems. I will harass you back... most definitely. Because that's basically what you are doing when you keep informing someone you have labeled something of what you think they must be thinking. You're harassing them. I know because I have done it myself... and when I have, I get called on it, and I have to relent and admit I was being a butthead. And like those others I have perpetrated this type of thing against, I won't stand idly by and just roll my eyes. I'm coming after you... and I'm going to attempt to rip your views apart with my wit and cunning. Bet on it.