Why Do You Reject Jesus?

[viole]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? The one who saves us all from eternal death—separation from God—according to the Holy Bible.

Because I think that a necessary premise is to first accept the Bible as being Holy.

Ciao

- viole

 

[ppp]

So we have two people looking at the same evidence and coming to two different conclusions.

Obviously not.

how something was produced out of nothing

The assertion of something out of nothing is just your creationist goo. I do not need a "theory" great or otherwise, for your faulty reasoning.

interdependent ecosystem that has purpose

Again, more creationist goo. Quit trying to insert your goo into me. It is not polite.

 

[Kenny]

Obviously not.

I completely disagree. Happens all the time

The assertion of something out of nothing is just your creationist goo. I do not need a "theory" great or otherwise, for your faulty reasoning.

So… apparently you have no theory. Hardly a position of strength.

Again, more creationist goo. Quit trying to insert your goo into me. It is not polite.

I’m not inserting anything. I assert my position within the context of my signature along with my theory that something started it and I assert it is God.

 

[ppp]

I completely disagree. Happens all the time

Heh. You do not even know what my conclusions are.

So… apparently you have no theory. Hardly a position of strength.

I don't need to have a theory about the stuff you have made up. Your assertions are fictions, irrespective of the existence of a god or gods.
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[Kenny]

Heh. You do not even know what my conclusions are.

You didn’t offer any

I don't need to have a theory about the stuff you have made up. Your assertions are fictions, irrespective of the existence of a god or gods.
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Can you give supportive documentation for your statement?

 

[ppp]

You didn’t offer any

Which means that you do not know what my conclusions are.

Can you give supportive documentation for your statement?

You first. I treat your posts exactly as casually as you do. And no more.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What is your reason for not accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior?

I don't need reasons to reject claims. I need reasons to accept them, and I have no reason to believe that claim.

Look at creation… it is enough evidence

Nature is evidence that nature exists, not that it had a supernatural intelligent designer.

The same can be said about the Bible, which also is just evidence that the Bible exists, not that it was authored by a deity or that anything in it is correct.

I suppose you have a great theory of how something was produced out of nothing and created an interdependent ecosystem that has purpose

You don't have a hypothesis for how a god can exist or produce nature.

Also, nothing in nature has apparent purpose, although there are some interesting speculations in cosmology and the philosophy of consciousness about the evolution of the cosmos being drawn or attracted toward a goal, which is a teleologic wrinkle added to the mechanistic view of modern science, where only the past is relevant to the present and future, which past pushes time and nature forward to no destination in particular. This is different in that it suggests a future pulling us toward itself - a goal of cosmic evolution if you will.

I can't say that I understand this or accept it, but it's an interesting way of looking at these issues that you might find interesting, because it imputes purpose and intent to the universe and the way it unfolds. It doesn't involve gods per se or even a priori intelligence, although it is consistent with those.

I found this book, but haven't read it. I offer it only to show that this is an area of enough interest to serious, academic philosophers to have spawned a new avenue of speculation:

If you'd like to hear more, this video broaches the topic.

Starting at 6:27, the speaker states that according to this viewpoint, "Values are ontologically primitive" and "Value is not just an accidental side effect of life, rather, there is life because life is a necessary condition of value," that is, that life and mind arose in the universe for some reason related to value being more fundamental that and existing prior to either mind or matter, which is consistent with an ontological philosophy called neutral monism, wherein mind and matter are both manifestations of something existing prior to them.

Sagan hinted at this when he said, "The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself." He didn't explicitly state that that is why consciousness exists, which brings us back to the words above that value (and we can add consciousness to that) are not accidents of cosmological evolution, but once again, are consistent with such a viewpoint.

The idea is that consciousness is a goal of nature, and not just to confer awareness on conscious agents, but to give their surroundings meaning and value.

Your tradition likes to take ideas like this one and consciousness collapsing quantum waves and connect them to its notion of a god. Mine leaves gods out, since they're not necessary in such a cosmology, but doesn't shut the door on the possibility that some qualities attributed to gods may be real things, that is, continues to remain agnostic about intelligent designers of nature.

 

[Kenny]

Which means that you do not know what my conclusions are.

I have some conclusions.

You first. I treat your posts exactly as casually as you do. And no more.

I already did

 

[ppp]

I already did

. I treat your posts exactly as casually as you do. And no more.

 

[Sargonski]

LOL

You will have to argue with what God said with…..

God..

Who is the one having an inane argument with self over which God is what ? .. or rather .. afraid to have the argument .. the foundation of belief based on fallacy, deflection and misdirection .. now come face to face with the identity of the God who you have been following .... and the horrible realization that it is not the God of Jesus that you have been following .. and ye know not the name .. nor the covenant of our God. peddling instead the blasphemy against our precious lord and savior .

now quit deflecting .. and answer or address the question of God's beloved Son in Job .. a God with great Godly Powers ... including the power to deceive .. . maybe play with the script ... can you tell the difference Brother Ken .. between the Word of one .. and the Word of the other in the bible ? Two words .. Two Gods .. which one to follow.

Tell us about the tester of souls .. chief God over the earth back in Jesus day .. .. what is your quarrel with this God . whome you blaspheme same as Jesus in your denial of her existence ... Yea of little "Faith" Now get the to thy wife thinking you could somehow avoid the strife .. in this game we call life .. Yes Brother Ken .. The Goddess is not dead ... you did not manage to kill her ..with your God in a box ..

Do you think you can outwit the greatest of deceivers .. with great Godly powers .. you being like Adam and Eve by comparison .. your odds of winning the battle I mean ... there is just that big a difference between human and even a lesser God ..