Why do you want to believe there is nothing wrong with Christian scripture?

[sojourner]

When unbelievers talk about the Bible or God, they leave out the Holy Spirit. They fail to understand that God is the one who is speaking through His Scripture. As it is written:

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

One cannot understand the Holy Scripture without the help of the Holy Spirit. You can see this clearly in the Book of the Apostles. See how the Apostles were transformed after they received the Holy Spirit.

The Word of God is dividing the Tares and the Wheat. The wicked will be offended by it.

Yah, except that's not what the parable of the wheat and the weeds refers to.

 

[savagewind]

Yah, except that's not what the parable of the wheat and the weeds refers to.

Tell us. I know that knowing what something is not usually comes with knowing what something is.

 

[sojourner]

The parable of the wheat and the weeds points to the coming together of the church. It has nothing to do with dividing things out, or anyone being "offended."

 

[johnpeter1970]

I think I know why you believe there is nothing wrong with it. Is it you believe God caused the writing of it?

I know I believe in God because I want to. I have no better reason. I don't believe God caused the scriptures to be without error.

Why do you?

Where is the evidence? You cannot see because you are Spiritually blind as it is written. You are offended by the Scripture as it is written. You don't see belief as it is written. The Scripture seems foolish to you as it is written. You see error as it is written.

 

[savagewind]

Where is the evidence? You cannot see because you are Spiritually blind as it is written. You are offended by the Scripture as it is written. You don't see belief as it is written. The Scripture seems foolish to you as it is written. You see error as it is written.

I have loads of evidence. It is people who can't see evidence who are blind.

Colossians 1:9
For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives

What does that mean? You seem to think I should believe whatever the word says. Is there no difference according to you between the word which was wriitten and The Word which is with God?

Are they the same?

The Helper who Jesus promised to send. What is He for?

 

[sojourner]

Where is the evidence? You cannot see because you are Spiritually blind as it is written. You are offended by the Scripture as it is written. You don't see belief as it is written. The Scripture seems foolish to you as it is written. You see error as it is written.

This veiled "no true Scotsman" fallacy is so thin, you could read the Lord's Prayer through it.

 

[savagewind]

I'm trying to knock those titles into my head. No true Scotsman.

Now I have to look up Godwinz law. Haha

 

[savagewind]

I think it means I shan't consider what you are saying because you are not true like me.

 

[sojourner]

I think it means I shan't consider what you are saying because you are not true like me.

No true Scotsman would be blind to "evidence."

 

[johnpeter1970]

I have loads of evidence. It is people who can't see evidence who are blind.

Colossians 1:9
For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives

What does that mean? You seem to think I should believe whatever the word says. Is there no difference according to you between the word which was wriitten and The Word which is with God?

Are they the same?

The Helper who Jesus promised to send. What is He for?

Are you a Christian?

 

[BUTSeriously]

I think I know why you believe there is nothing wrong with it. Is it you believe God caused the writing of it?

I know I believe in God because I want to. I have no better reason. I don't believe God caused the scriptures to be without error.

Why do you?

Yes I do think there was a theological stuff-up in the first century. Instead of walking side by side as aligned belief systems, with core variances, and much common values, they became competitors of each other. Surely Paul would have had to have known his new vision would not be accepted by the Jews, who were facing an existential war with Rome: "So you are the only people who refuse my divinity!" - Caligula. The entire issue is presented in a book, "Ben Hur II - Exile" with a section called 'The Messiah Syndrome'. It is worth discussing in this forum for those who have read it. There's a free preview here: Amazon.com: ben hur ii - exile

 

[savagewind]

Are you a Christian?

I can't say I am not.

 

[Faybull]

Jesus promised to send a helper to effect recall of all he taught. If the Bible was passed down as positively true and is all we need then what is the helper for?

Jesus said to worship God in spirit and truth. They worship their god by the book saying there is nothing wrong with it. A book versus the Spirit of The Truth. They obey their own opinion of what the book says but even the book they say should be obeyed says this; Trust in יְ֭הוָה with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5,6

Does it say trust in what God has said? Written? What other people say God has said? A book??????

You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me John 5:39

They are searching WORDS not GOD THE SPIRIT.

Is God The Spirit in the words?

You don't understand the parable f the wheat and tares, aye?


It is one who has the spirit of holiness.

So, you get born again...Then what babe feeds on the same food they were fed previously?

 

[savagewind]

You don't understand the parable f the wheat and tares, aye?


It is one who has the spirit of holiness.

So, you get born again...Then what babe feeds on the same food they were fed previously?

That quote above these words of yours didn't mention wheat or tares. And what's with all those numbers? That's weird.

 

[savagewind]

I understand the parable of the wheat and the weeds. But I am as certain as I am that I live that everyone else thinks I don't.

 

[Sabour]

The Helper who Jesus promised to send. What is He for?

Not to interrupt, but the helper here is for the new final revelation from God. His word that will be unchanged.

The helper is prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

Isaiah 29:12King James Version (KJV)
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Muhammad peace be upon him and his story in the cave receiving the first revelations is an exact match.

Have you considered that ?

 

[savagewind]

I think Jesus said he would send a helper to the people who he was talking to.

 

[Sabour]

I think Jesus said he would send a helper to the people who he was talking to.

I don't know to what verses you are referring, but both Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them were receiving from God and sharing with humans. I think that would be the explanation.

Anyways I would suggest you to read the biography of the prophet to see if that would be true and if he matches to be the helper or read the Quraan and see if it qualifies to be the Word of God. See if it has what the bible lacks.

If that was proven true to you, you will find answers for your questions. If not than you gained new knowledge about Islam.

I am just suggesting here.

 

[Sabour]

I think Jesus said he would send a helper to the people who he was talking to.

Here are the verses about the comforter, I am not sure why you thought he would be for the people he was talking to.

John 16

5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?

18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

 

[savagewind]

I don't know to what verses you are referring, but both Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them were receiving from God and sharing with humans. I think that would be the explanation.

Anyways I would suggest you to read the biography of the prophet to see if that would be true and if he matches to be the helper or read the Quraan and see if it qualifies to be the Word of God. See if it has what the bible lacks.

If that was proven true to you, you will find answers for your questions. If not than you gained new knowledge about Islam.

I am just suggesting here.

Thank you. I might read it.

You say "both Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them were receiving from God and sharing with humans". I have many many times experienced peace from God even from atheists. Anyone can receive from God and share it.
Every good gift and perfect presents comes from The Father say James 1:17. I have received many good gifts and perfect presents (spiritual ones) and they didn't come from Jesus or Muhammad. They came from people.

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:17