Why Does An Archangel From Heaven Have to Debate For Years They Exist?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I can only try to answer the question in the OP: "Why Does An Archangel From Heaven Have to Debate For Years They Exist?"

They don't.

By every description that I have ever heard, archangels from heaven come with power, granted by heaven, to do anything needed to establish what they are. Debating is not, so far as I know, one of those powers.

Therefore, I suspect that without the power to establish your status as an Archangel, you therefore cannot be one.

 

[Harel13]

Zan = Flock in Hebrew

Just wanted to point out that "flock" isn't "tzon" in Hebrew but "eder". "Tzon" is a collective name for sheep, goats, rams and such.

 

[Harel13]

I'm just a Arm that get used like a Pawn in a game

So why get mad at us insolent mortals? Or are you really just channeling god's frustration?

 

[wizanda]

By every description that I have ever heard, archangels from heaven come with power, granted by heaven, to do anything needed to establish what they are.

The power is in the Word, my name means Exegesis (Zand), and is the Place of David (Zion), which means I come before the Armies of Heaven.

I'm what is called a prophesied warning shot over the bow, to give people time to repent.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

Just wanted to point out that "flock" isn't "tzon" in Hebrew but "eder". "Tzon" is a collective name for sheep, goats, rams and such.

I don't agree with modern pronunciations of the Hebrew language, I'm having to relearn it based on what is there; by establishing the correct pronunciations of certain words, and working the alphabet out properly from that.

I vaguely remember what it sounds like when spoken from thousands of years ago, and what Modern Hebrew sounds like is Germanic from the Yiddish.

My Grandad was a Pollish Jew originally from Lviv, thus I recognize the wrong dialects; that have apparently travelled from Ashkenazis, learning from the Arabs how to speak an Egyptian stylized writing, that originally started from ancient languages that came from before that.

Zan (ציון ▬ צאן) Zion

Because these two words have similar understandings, which have been interchanged in prophetic writings, they've got muddled in pronunciation.

Aleph is a sharper sound, pronounced like A in America, not A in Australia.

Thus Zan is closer than Zon; Tzon could be spelled צון, which is Zun, like in Nun (נוֹן).

• רצון H7522 - râtsôn
• לצון H3944 - lâtsôn
• מאן H398 - mâ'ên
• ׁנאן H8136 - shin'ân
• סאן H5431 - sâ'an -

Thank you hadn't noticed my name spelled with an S in Isaiah 9:5.

סאון H5430 - se'ôn -

The pronunciation here is because of going from A to Uh, Sa-uh-N produces O.

The meaning is awfully translated as well, San Saon means to stample down, like the flock (Zan) pressing in the mud, that causes a quickening of a herd, that then causes a cacophonous noise, is my understanding of Isaiah 9:5.

So why get mad at us insolent mortals? Or are you really just channeling god's frustration?

This isn't mad, this is us trying to get people to correct their religious understandings; mad is when time stops, at the climax of the Great Tribulation.

We can learn from history, that for the last two thousand years our people got put under a Curse for rejecting the Messiah (Zechariah 11).

In my opinion.

 

[Harel13]

Modern Hebrew sounds like is Germanic from the Yiddish

Actually, the modern Hebrew pronunciation is based off of the the Sephardic pronunciation. This was a decision made by the founders of the State of Israel.

This isn't mad, this is us trying to get people to correct their religious understandings; mad is when time stops, at the climax of the Great Tribulation

Sorry, your thread title sounded like frustration. My mistake.

 

[Eddi]

Earlier in this thread I (in jest) raised the possibility that we are both Angels, as I used to think I was an Arch Angel (when I was unwell)

I'm sorry, but I think that if we are both Angels then I outrank you in the heavenly civil service...

Hierarchy of angels - Wikipedia

...because I can claim a direct line to God (although I don't actually claim this, I believe it's mental illness, but let's pretend)

And I don't think you're The Messiah - The Messiah has to be human, not Angelic, Angels are servants

My "direct line to God" is telling me you are not The Messiah

 

[wizanda]

Actually, the modern Hebrew pronunciation is based off of the the Sephardic pronunciation.

The Messiah comes with a correction of the language:

Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that they may all call on Yahavah's name, to serve him shoulder to shoulder.

Yah-Havah can imply Lord of Creation; Lord Brahma can imply Lord of Creation.

Brahma's son is Sanananda; El Elyon's son is Sananda.

Yah ▲▼ avah is pronounced the same as Om ▲▼ Namah Shiva ▼▲ Ya - it is part of transcendental meditation.

Sorry, your thread title sounded like frustration. My mistake.

The frustration is being ignored online over 15 years, to the point of wanting to give up on Messianic prophecy; as I no longer believe people want it to happen.

Arguing with people over my existence, isn't why I've come down to earth...

Just wish some people could be real with what prophecy says globally, and actually study what is going on; because currently it feels like living in a big mental asylum with everyone...

As very few people I've met in this world can be logical, and it is scary; like we are living down near Hell, where people become savages when Law is removed.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

mental illness, but let's pretend

Firstly mental illness is trying to make ourself superior, when evidence doesn't exist for it; rather than deal with what is factual.

I'm the lowest archangel Sandalphon implies the one who serves mankind; there are archangels higher in ranking in Jewish understanding.

Metatron, Raziel (other times Jophiel), Tzaphkiel, Tzadkiel, Khamael, Raphael, Haniel, Michael, Gabriel, and Sandalphon.

Yet for you to be one of these you'd need to be Divine here on earth; plus I'd need a lot of proof - competing with me like a child, relating to me like an adult, even raising me up as a grandparent isn't angelic.

To be an archangel someone would literally need advanced knowledge from birth; the idea of understanding the Matrix, is because the unified conscious of Oneness created the film.

My "direct line to God" is telling me you are not The Messiah

Since we can show this from the religious texts around the world; to not be mental, we have to show what is factual.

In my opinion.

 

[Eddi]

To be honest, I don't think you have the personal qualities required to be an Angel

Seven deadly sins - Wikipedia (see Pride section)

If I were your superior in the Angelic hierarchy I'd be very concerned and would hold you back from Angelic duties and promotion until you've sorted yourself out

 

[Eddi]

Cut and pasted from Wikipedia:

Pride (Latin: superbia) is considered, on almost every list, the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins: the perversion of the faculties that make humans more like God—dignity and holiness. It is also thought to be the source of the other capital sins. Also known as hubris (from ancient Greek ὕβρις), or futility, it is identified as dangerously corrupt selfishness, the putting of one's own desires, urges, wants, and whims before the welfare of other people.

In even more destructive cases, it is irrationally believing that one is essentially and necessarily better, superior, or more important than others, failing to acknowledge the accomplishments of others, and excessive admiration of the personal image or self (especially forgetting one's own lack of divinity, and refusing to acknowledge one's own limits, faults, or wrongs as a human being).

Not at all Angelic

 

[wizanda]

(see Pride section)

Pride is again taking a hierarchy, which isn't something that is done by Heavenly Beings (Elohim).

I'm lower than you're aiming; so please refrain from attacking.

In my opinion.

 

[Eddi]

I don't think you're an Arch Angel but I suppose it is possible for you to be a fallen Angel

Perhaps your purpose in your current incarnation here on Earth is to win back your wings?

I think being a humble, quiet servant of God would be a good way to do this

I think you should look at this life you're living now as an opportunity for redemption

You must have seriously ticked off the Arch Angels (and maybe even God himself) for them to send you down to live as a human

I hope you learn your lesson before this life you're living now ends...

They obviously think you can or else they wouldn't have given you this opportunity

 

[wizanda]

I don't think you're an Arch Angel but I suppose it is possible for you to be a fallen Angel

Perhaps your purpose in your current incarnation here on Earth is to win back your wings?

I'm here before the Great Tribulation, either to prevent the destruction of mankind or to die trying.

Who needs wings, they get in the way when we want to put on a backpack, if needing to carry our laptop.

I think being a humble

Humility is my name (H6800 - צנע - tsâna‛) in Hebrew (Micah 6:8).

I think you should look at this life you're living now as an opportunity for redemption

There is no way we can pay God; a life of service still does not even the balance.

Only through understanding the opposites of the wisdoms down here, can we then see what is required to get out of Hell.

Therefore everyone's objectionable behaviours, can teach us how not to be.

In my opinion.

 

[Harel13]

as I no longer believe people want it to happen

I think people just aren't interested in your version of the prophecy. You missed a good several thousand years to convince people. Now different religions are too deeply-rooted. Had you come earlier, you might have had a better chance to convince people.

 

[wizanda]

I think people just aren't interested in your version of the prophecy. You missed a good several thousand years to convince people. Now different religions are too deeply-rooted. Had you come earlier, you might have had a better chance to convince people.

In my understanding of Zoroastrian, Hebraic, Islamic, Hindu, Taoist texts the Messiah comes before the Great Battle, Great Tribulation, End of time, and Judgement Day...Then we come to an age of Godliness.

The idea people are all following made up traditions of men, and forgetting the Divine Council, is part of the point in coming now before the End of Time, to make it fair and optional.

The Bible already establishes a Snare in the texts, where in Isaiah 28:9-19 from Posts to Post, Rumour to Rumour, there is a Bed of Adultery stated in Isaiah 28:20-21, Revelation 2:22.

Considering humanity has failed the exam, and only the Messiah can explain it; I'd say it was a perfect time to remove or educate the ungodly.

In my opinion.

 

[Harel13]

educate

Doesn't seem to be working, though.

 

[Harel13]

By the way, when exactly will the End Times be happening?

 

[wizanda]

Doesn't seem to be working, though.

I'm not the one who needs to educate people to accept their own religious texts; if they don't it is their loss.

By the way, when exactly will the End Times be happening?

Israel Vs Iran (Armageddon) starts the Great Tribulation; at its climax the Source of reality steps in to prevent the end of humanity...

Ask the Zionists who are about to cause WW3, when they plan on causing it as prophesied...

The Zionist trying to attack Jerusalem need educating, as they don't realize they're not protected by God, and are in fact the culprits who are set to Soon be removed for causing the End of Humanity.

In my opinion. innocent:

 

[Harel13]

Ask the Zionists

I'm a zionist, and I can tell you we've got no idea. Which is why I'm asking you. I'm sure you know that exact date and I'd be very happy to have some inside info.

I'm not the one who needs to educate people to accept their own religious texts; if they don't it is their loss.

I thought that was your mission on earth. If not, what is?
And I think most people do accept their religious texts, just not in the same way you understand them.