Trailblazer
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*sigh* God is not an electrician so God did not wire anything. Comparing God to an electrician is the fallacy of false equivalence.*sigh* If (say) an electrician wires something up that leaves an exposed live wire and somebody comes along, inadvertently touches it and dies, then we would rightly hold the electrician responsible, even though they didn't make the person touch the wire, let alone know that somebody would.
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[1] A colloquial expression of false equivalency is "comparing apples and oranges".
This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.[2] False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.
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The act of creation does not CAUSE anything to happen.How much more responsible would an omniscient God be for all the consequences of its action of creation?
God does not CAUSE anything to happen just because God KNOWS it will happen.
There is no logical connection between knowledge and causality, NONE at all.
You really need to read the following quotes and TRY to understand what they mean. Pay close attention to what I highlighted in italics.
“Every act ye meditate is as clear to Him as is that act when already accomplished. There is none other God besides Him. His is all creation and its empire. All stands revealed before Him; all is recorded in His holy and hidden Tablets. This fore-knowledge of God, however, should not be regarded as having caused the actions of men, just as your own previous knowledge that a certain event is to occur, or your desire that it should happen, is not and can never be the reason for its occurrence.”
Question.—If God has knowledge of an action which will be performed by someone, and it has been written on the Tablet of Fate, is it possible to resist it?
Answer.—The foreknowledge of a thing is not the cause of its realization; for the essential knowledge of God surrounds, in the same way, the realities of things, before as well as after their existence, and it does not become the cause of their existence. It is a perfection of God.......
Some of what happens is fated and some is random, but other things are chosen via free will, the choices. Our choices are determined by a combination of factors such as childhood upbringing, heredity, education, adult experiences, and present life circumstances. All of these factors are the reasons why we choose one thing or another at any point in time. God did not determine those factors. They are simply due to how our lives unfolded.Either reality is entirely deterministic or it contains some genuine randomness. In the former case, everything it set in stone from the moment of creation and a God would be responsible for it all. In the latter, it would also be responsible for introducing the randomness. It would certainly not be people, who would have no control over it.
You just want to pass the buck and make God responsible for everything, which is patently illogical. Every court of law knows that God is not responsible for human moral choices. Humans are responsible for those because they have free will to choose good or evil.
God is only responsible for what He causes but God does not cause anything so God is not responsible for anything that happens to humans in this world.
No, that is not what God wanted. God did not cause a world full of misunderstanding of its messages, different religions that often hate each other, and conflict, humans caused those things. But God knew that would not last forever because God had a plan from the very beginning to put a halt to all of that by sending a new messenger who corrected all of those misunderstandings.So your God wanted a world full of misunderstanding of its messages, different religions that often hate each other, conflict, uncertainty and not one shred of actual evidence that it exists at all? Okay, but I'd rather spit in such a God's eye, than worship it.
As for the evidence, it has been staring you in the face, and it is not God's fault that you cannot see it.
God gave you free will, so you can spit in God's face if you want to. It won't hurt God, it will only hurt you. I ought to know because I used to spit in God's face over all the suffering I have had to endure. Life is much better now that I can see more clearly and understand why I suffered. It was not because God was out to get me, it was just part and parcel of life in a material world.
Please explain why you think that God communicating directly to everyone would avoid lots of problems, evil, and confusion in the world. Do you really think that everyone would understand that communication in the same way? That would be logically impossible, since every human thinks with a different mind.It would avoid lots of problems, evil, and confusion in the world. But, hey, you don't think your God cares about that, so whatever.
And you 'know better' than an omniscient God how to design humans.Better design would have solved that.
They would not have to write the 15,000 tablets that Baha'u'llah wrote but they would have to:They wouldn't have to if everybody was getting the message directly, would they?
a) have time to listen to all of that and
b) be able to understand all of that.
Give it up for lost. This would never work in reality, which is why God communicates to one messenger in every age, a messenger who can communicate what He receives from God to all of humanity.
Sorry, but the reasoning of an 'omniscient God' is far better than any human reasoning. That is logic 101.Nasty, evil, and bad a reasoning, then.