Why does god discriminate against amputees?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Off the top of my head I do recall that Jesus restored someone's shriveled arm. I don't know why it would be necessary for every known disease or injury to be healed in the Bible, though...?

Doesn't have to be the Bible. Do you have any evidence at all of anyone ever growing back a limb?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Wait. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here. I'm sure there must be some rational explanation for the lack of action on the part of our cosmic zombie friend. Maybe he just doesn't "love" amputees. Or maybe he doesn't intervene with amputees because it's not his will. Or maybe his answer to their prayers is and always will be "no". Or maybe the issue is that he wants to stay hidden and restoring an amputated limb would just be too obvious. Or maybe he has a higher purpose for amputees because everyone's life serves the cosmic zombie in different ways. Or maybe he does answer prayers by inspiring scientists and engineers to create artificial limbs. Or maybe our cosmic zombie friend will answer the prayer, just not now, in this life. It may even be the case that we just have no way of understanding the way of the cosmic zombie and we just need to be content with that fact. Or maybe, just maybe this "loving" cosmic zombie doesn't exist in the first place and all amputees are on their own just like everyone else

Or maybe you're taking those verses ridiculously out of context James 1:7

 

[LogDog]

Or maybe you're taking those verses ridiculously out of context James 1:7

I am? Can you prove it?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

I am? Can you prove it?

on the contrary, can you prove that any one of those verses literally means that any conceivable prayer request will be granted if you ask God for it? James 1:7

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Doesn't have to be the Bible. Do you have any evidence at all of anyone ever growing back a limb?

If I did would you believe it? I have heard, though have not looked into it extensively, that limbs have been restored/healed through prayer.

 

[Willamena]

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]

Liar, Liar. Pants on fire.

Wait. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here. I'm sure there must be some rational explanation for the lack of action on the part of our cosmic zombie friend. Maybe he just doesn't "love" amputees. Or maybe he doesn't intervene with amputees because it's not his will. Or maybe his answer to their prayers is and always will be "no". Or maybe the issue is that he wants to stay hidden and restoring an amputated limb would just be too obvious. Or maybe he has a higher purpose for amputees because everyone's life serves the cosmic zombie in different ways. Or maybe he does answer prayers by inspiring scientists and engineers to create artificial limbs. Or maybe our cosmic zombie friend will answer the prayer, just not now, in this life. It may even be the case that we just have no way of understanding the way of the cosmic zombie and we just need to be content with that fact. Or maybe, just maybe this "loving" cosmic zombie doesn't exist in the first place and all amputees are on their own just like everyone else.

Can you honestly say that you can believe your arm or leg will grow back, in the face of all that experience, science and common sense tell you?

 

[Random]

Why does Logdog. who also posts on GLP from time to time, keep posting atheist propaganda? Does he not have original thoughts to offer?

As for GOD, he does not answer to anyone. And rightly so...the amputee's suffering is justified somehow.

 

[UnTheist]

Why does Logdog. who also posts on GLP from time to time, keep posting atheist propaganda? Does he not have original thoughts to offer?

Nope.

ANTI-theist propaganda would be more accurate, though

 

[Willamena]

As for GOD, he does not answer to anyone. And rightly so...the amputee's suffering is justified somehow.

Is that a karmic attitude?

 

[UnTheist]

Is that a karmic attitude?

I guess bad things happening to good people isn't really true, then.

 

[LogDog]

on the contrary, can you prove that any one of those verses literally means that any conceivable prayer request will be granted if you ask God for it? James 1:7

Lets see. You tell me I'm taking stuff out of context. I ask for you to prove to me that your assertion is valid. You don't and instead throw the burden of proof back at me. Interesting.

 

[Random]

Is that a karmic attitude?

It is, but lest I appear cold and callous: it is our GOD-given duty to lessen suffering and indeed eliminate it altogether when and wherever possible.

Look, if GOD healed all the amputees people would not take accidents and injuries very seriously, would they? They would also lose the ability to learn from dis-ability, would they not? It makes sense to me...

It always amazes me how people expect GOD to right all their wrongs and correct all their woes just so they can say "He exists". That is a stupid, selfish attitude is it not?

We are here to learn how to BE gods ourselves. We will never succeed if we persist in childish delusions or spiritual immaturity.

Now where are my superpowers and who took them away from me, eh? :faint:

 

[LogDog]

Why does Logdog. who also posts on GLP from time to time, keep posting atheist propaganda? Does he not have original thoughts to offer?

What's GLP? Are you sure you've got the right LogDog?

As for GOD, he does not answer to anyone. And rightly so...the amputee's suffering is justified somehow.

Those stinkin' amputees. They deserve everything they get.

 

[Random]

What's GLP? Are you sure you've got the right LogDog?

I guess you are not the famous Jew-basing Atheist hater who goes by the name "Logdog" on Godlike Productions, eh? Good for you, just testing...

Those stinkin' amputees. They deserve everything they get

That is, of course, not what I meant. See response to Willamena above...

 

[Mike182]

a note for this debate: healing is not just a physical thing.

asking God to heal some for a lost limb, a miss-carriage, abuse, mental health problems - anything that you can think of that someone may need healing for - can not be measured. sure you can say "0% of these limbs grew back through prayer" but that doesn't measure healing someone.

someone can be healed emotionally without having anything physically happen to them, and while that neither proves nor disproves anything supernatural, it means that you can't use the fact that people's limbs do not grow back as proof that God does not exist/doesn't heal people.

 

[Runt]

a note for this debate: healing is not just a physical thing.

asking God to heal some for a lost limb, a miss-carriage, abuse, mental health problems - anything that you can think of that someone may need healing for - can not be measured. sure you can say "0% of these limbs grew back through prayer" but that doesn't measure healing someone.

someone can be healed emotionally without having anything physically happen to them, and while that neither proves nor disproves anything supernatural, it means that you can't use the fact that people's limbs do not grow back as proof that God does not exist/doesn't heal people.

True. But whose prayers are really that vague? If someone prays for their leg or arm to regrow because the Bible says all of their prayers will be answered... this isn't asking for emotional healing, it's asking for physical healing.

 

[LogDog]

It is, but lest I appear cold and callous: it is our GOD-given duty to lessen suffering and indeed eliminate it altogether when and wherever possible.

Look, if GOD healed all the amputees people would not take accidents and injuries very seriously, would they? They would also lose the ability to learn from dis-ability, would they not? It makes sense to me...

It always amazes me how people expect GOD to right all their wrongs and correct all their woes just so they can say "He exists". That is a stupid, selfish attitude is it not?

We are here to learn how to BE gods ourselves. We will never succeed if we persist in childish delusions or spiritual immaturity.

Now where are my superpowers and who took them away from me, eh? :faint:

So your cosmic zombie lover will supposedly heal other injuries caused by accidents, just not amputations? How very convenient. Do you ever tire of the mental gymnastics?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Lets see. You tell me I'm taking stuff out of context. I ask for you to prove to me that your assertion is valid. You don't and instead throw the burden of proof back at me. Interesting.

I didn't throw it back because it has never been anyone but yours. You are the one throwing out those verses attempting to say that they must not be true since amputees who pray to re-grow their limbs don't always get a "yes." Thus, it's your job to show how these verses literally mean that any conceivable prayer request, including the re-growth of limbs, must be granted by God. Unless you can show that it is so, you're just blowing hot air.

 

[Random]

So your cosmic zombie lover will supposedly heal other injuries caused by accidents, just not amputations? How very convenient. Do you ever tire of the mental gymnastics?

This does not make sense to me. Where did I say GOD will heal @ all in the way you're talking about? Can you not read? Is what I said so incomprehesible? It may be reasoned that suffering has a point to it, a lesson if you will. I was talking in any case about Karma not GOD, which you'd know if you read the previous posts.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

That doesn't really answer the question of why God apparently heals (according to the Bible) blindness, muteness (IIRC), mental illness/demonic posession, leprosy, lameness, palsy (IIRC), actual death, etc., etc., but never, either in the Bible or in all of recorded history, re-grows a limb. Ever.

Your article compared God's rejection of some requests to a parent saying "no" to things that a child wanted, but were harmful.

If having four working limbs is the equivalent of having marshmallows for dinner, maybe we should all be sharpening our hacksaws, no?

Oh. I thought the question was why does God answer some prayers, and not others?

Sorry.

How do we know God never regrew someone's limb? If the Bible included every single little detail about the miracles of Jesus/God, it would be a very thick book indeed. Just because the Bible never specifically states that God never regrew someone's leg doesn't mean he didn't. Jesus healed many things in the New Testament. I can't see him refusing to heal someone who came to him with only one leg or one arm. The Bible just never talks about it.

I'm good with marshmallows for dinner.