Why does god discriminate against amputees?

[LogDog]

I didn't throw it back because it has never been anyone but yours. You are the one throwing out those verses attempting to say that they must not be true since amputees who pray to re-grow their limbs don't always get a "yes." Thus, it's your job to show how these verses literally mean that any conceivable prayer request, including the re-growth of limbs, must be granted by God. Unless you can show that it is so, you're just blowing hot air.

I'm a simple man. And like many in the his target audience, I'm not very adept at finding the hidden meaning in the word of the cosmic zombie. When I read that he says one shall receive whatever it is they ask for in prayer, I understand that one shall receive whatever it is that they ask for in prayer. Now I'm no bronze age goat-herder, but I think my comprehension of such a statement is fairly accurate. If my interpretation of the cosmic zombies message is off, either I and millions of others are missing something or the cosmic zombie should have been a bit less mysterious in how he chose to communicate.

And when you say "amputees who pray to re-grow their limbs don't always get a 'yes'" implies that there are amputees who've had their prayer answered. That was a mistake on your part, right?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

I'm a simple man. And like many in the his target audience, I'm not very adept at finding the hidden meaning in the word of the cosmic zombie. When I read that he says one shall receive whatever it is they ask for in prayer, I understand that one shall receive whatever it is that they ask for in prayer. Now I'm no bronze age goat-herder, but I think my comprehension of such a statement is fairly accurate. If my interpretation of the cosmic zombies message is off, either I and millions of others are missing something or the cosmic zombie should have been a bit less mysterious in how he chose to communicate.

Or perhaps you should be a bit more adept at Biblical exegesis. You are aware that Jesus spoke quite often metaphorically and hyperbolically, yes? If not, I suspect you haven't read the Gospels with a very keen eye. If so, then I don't see why you would take these general statements as absolutes.

Do you suppose that when Jesus said this, he was teaching that the prayer, "Lord, please make yourself cease to exist" would actually be granted? If so, then it's pretty obvious that you have absolutely no willingness to even see the point of the passages or to even assume that Jesus had a brain or could speak coherently. If not, then suddenly the idea that God is required to oblige every conceivable prayer (including re-growth of limbs) based on these passages becomes increasingly ridiculous.

And when you say "amputees who pray to re-grow their limbs don't always get a 'yes'" implies that there are amputees who've had their prayer answered. That was a mistake on your part, right?

No, it wasn't. I already responded to someone on this about a page ago, I suggest you go back and check.

Plus, even if I had said, "never get a 'yes' " it wouldn't have detracted from my point.

 

[Jeremiah]

As for GOD, he does not answer to anyone. And rightly so...the amputee's suffering is justified somehow.

If God thinks this is justifiable than he will have to answer to me in the afterlife.

 

[LogDog]

Or perhaps you should be a bit more adept at Biblical exegesis. You are aware that Jesus spoke quite often metaphorically and hyperbolically, yes? If not, I suspect you haven't read the Gospels with a very keen eye. If so, then I don't see why you would take these general statements as absolutes.

Actually, I'm not certain this Jesus character ever existed in the first place. But assuming he did, maybe he should have said what he meant rather than being so brainy. I'm a simple man, as are millions of this cosmic zombies potential converts. Some of us aren't as smart as you and sometimes we need things spelled out. The persistent issue seems to be interpretation. You understand the gospels one way and your xtian buddy understands them differently. Are you interpreting them correctly? Is your buddy? Who knows. Maybe you're both wrong and this whole cosmic zombie thing was fabricated in the minds of a few creative writers who've got you all fooled.

Do you suppose that when Jesus said this, he was teaching that the prayer, "Lord, please make yourself cease to exist" would actually be granted?If so, then it's pretty obvious that you have absolutely no willingness to even see the point of the passages or to even assume that Jesus had a brain or could speak coherently. If not, then suddenly the idea that God is required to oblige every conceivable prayer (including re-growth of limbs) based on these passages becomes increasingly ridiculous.

I suppose he'd probably answer this prayer with a simple "No". Pretty much the same way he seems to answer the prayers of thousands of amputees. (Assuming of course this cosmic zombie exists in the first place.)

No, it wasn't. I already responded to someone on this about a page ago, I suggest you go back and check.

Okay.

You said: "I have heard, though have not looked into it extensively, that limbs have been restored/healed through prayer."

If this is the case, don't you think you'd better get to the bottom of the matter because if you can prove that through prayer, limbs have been restored, you'd be able to convince a number of nonbelievers to believe, preventing possibly millions of souls from eternal separation from the cosmic zombie. Heck, you might even convince me. You may also be able to take the $1,000,000 Randi has waiting for the first person who can prove their supernatural claim.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Actually, I'm not certain this Jesus character ever existed in the first place. But assuming he did, maybe he should have said what he meant rather than being so brainy. I'm a simple man, as are millions of this cosmic zombies potential converts. Some of us aren't as smart as you and sometimes we need things spelled out.

Fortunately, God is not obligated to live up to your standards of communication. You seem smart enough to provide plenty of witty and sarcastic replies; surely with a bit of thought you could get a glimpe of Jesus' oratory style.

The persistent issue seems to be interpretation. You understand the gospels one way and your xtian buddy understands them differently. Are you interpreting it correctly? Is your buddy? Who knows. Maybe your both wrong and this whole cosmic zombie thing was fabricated in the minds of a few creative writers who've got you both fooled.

I present this question to Protestants all the time. The issue is authority, which Catholics have pretty well covered.

I suppose he'd probably answer this prayer with a simple "No". Pretty much the same way he seems to answer the prayers of thousands of amputees.

Precisely. So then it becomes rather obvious that God, even with these verses you show, is not obligated to answer every prayer with a "yes," and He is not a liar. Glad we got that cleared up.

(Assuming of course this cosmic zombie exists in the first place.)

To even entertain that notion I'd have to assume that YOU exist, which I'm not entirely willing to do.

If this is the case, don't you think you'd better get to the bottom of the matter because if you can prove that through prayer, limbs have been restored, you'd be able to convince a number of nonbelievers to believe, preventing possibly millions of souls from eternal separation from the cosmic zombie. Heck, you might even convince me. You may also be able to take the $1,000,000 Randi has waiting for the first person who can prove their supernatural claim.

I seriously doubt it. Jesus healed hundreds of people here on Earth right in front of their eyes and they nailed Him to a cross. Humans are stupid and prideful, a lot of the time. See Luke 16:31

 

[LogDog]

Fortunately, God is not obligated to live up to your standards of communication. You seem smart enough to provide plenty of witty and sarcastic replies; surely with a bit of thought you could get a glimpe of Jesus' oratory style.

I don't think your cosmic zombie lover has it in him to live up to any of my standards. You see, I'm against deliberately killing anyone, unless of course they're trying to kill me. I'm thumbs up on homosexuality. Thumbs down on rape, torture and slavery. I'm not into having people worship me and I'm not into punishing them for not doing what I ask. I also try to say what I mean and leave no doubt as to my capabilities.

Precisely. So then it becomes rather obvious that God, even with these verses you show, is not obligated to answer every prayer with a "yes," and He is not a liar. Glad we got that cleared up.

Clear as mud. The only prayers that get answered are the ones that are of a non-falsifiable nature. Your god should have put a asterix at the end of each of those verses. *Not applicable for any post Bronze Age prayer that would indicate to a nonbeliever that I, your cosmic zombie of love, have any tangible ability to heal.

To even entertain that notion I'd have to assume that YOU exist, which I'm not entirely willing to do.

How very christian of you.

I seriously doubt it. Jesus healed hundreds of people here on Earth right in front of their eyes and they nailed Him to a cross.

If you have any evidence other than your bible to support such assertions, please present it now.

Humans are stupid and prideful, a lot of the time. See Luke 16:31

So it's our modern day stupidity and pridefulness that hinders amputees from having their prayers answered?

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

I don't think your cosmic zombie lover has it in him to live up to any of my standards.

Yeah, you're WAY better than the Creator of the universe.

You see, I'm against deliberately killing anyone, unless of course they're trying to kill me. I'm thumbs up on homosexuality. Thumbs down on rape, torture and slavery. I'm not into having people worship me and I'm not into punishing them for not doing what I ask. I also try to say what I mean and leave no doubt as to my capabilities.

Try loving your enemies and forgiving those who torture and kill you. That'll knock any of the above "standards" out of the water.

Clear as mud. The only prayers that get answered are the ones that are of a non-falsifiable nature. Your god should have put a asterix at the end of each of those verses. *Not applicable for any post Bronze Age prayer that would indicate to a nonbeliever that I, your cosmic zombie of love, have any tangible ability to heal.

LOL...Jesus, who said those things, healed people publicly CONSTANTLY, as recorded in the very same writings that you quote from. Do you need an asterisk at the end of each verse that says, "Keep reading, don't take this out of context"? You do need some small degree of common sense to be able to understand the Bible, you know.

How very christian of you.

Why thank you.

If you have any evidence other than your bible to support such assertions, please present it now.

This article does a decent job: http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html

So it's our modern day stupidity and pridefulness that hinders amputees from have their prayers answered?

No, did you actually read the context of my statement there? It was in the context of why people refuse to believe in the face of insurmountable evidence.

 

[LogDog]

eah, you're WAY better than the Creator of the universe.

No I'm not and neither is your god.

Try loving your enemies and forgiving those who torture and kill you.

This character was allegedly immortal and omnipotent. That means he could not truly die and he had the power to change the course of events. Allowing himself to be "killed" by his own creation shouldn't inspire your awe. It should disturbe you. The promotion of unneccary violence is bad.

That'll knock any of the above "standards" out of the water.

If you want to thing so.

LOL...Jesus, who said those things, healed people publicly CONSTANTLY, as recorded in the very same writings that you quote from.

I know. Lucky Bronze Agers. Apparently they got to see the goods. We get static. If it's your gods goal to save my soul, why doesn't he afford me the same courtesy by making his actuality as obvious? It's strange... What's changed since then? Hmmmm. What could it be? Oh, Yeah. Science. Where it goes, the cosmic zombie doesn't.

You do need some small degree of common sense to be able to understand the Bible, you know.

To understand it, yes. To buy into it, well...

This article does a decent job: http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html

Would you please identify the section that is non-biased and that cooberates your assertions for me?

No, did you actually read the context of my statement there? It was in the context of why people refuse to believe in the face of insurmountable evidence.

Yeah. I got it. Poor cosmic zombie. It's not like he's not omnipotent or anything and couldn't have presented himself in a more effective manner in order to avoid such apparent chaos. Who's to blame here? The creators creation or the creator himself?

 

[porkchop]

Dunno.

I thought it said somewhere in the Bible that you'd get whatever you prayed for. I guess that wasn't meant to be taken literally, either?

According to Gods will.

 

[porkchop]

If God thinks this is justifiable than he will have to answer to me in the afterlife.

I believe man was responsible for this, not God.
God is a God of justice and the people responsible for this will get whats due them in the afterlife.
God answers to no one,Jeremiah.

 

[Mike182]

True. But whose prayers are really that vague? If someone prays for their leg or arm to regrow because the Bible says all of their prayers will be answered... this isn't asking for emotional healing, it's asking for physical healing.

true, but if we are talking about an Omniscient force, maybe God saw something bigger than the leg? i don't know, i'm not God, but the phrase "God works in mysterious ways" comes to mind.

 

[Willamena]

I guess bad things happening to good people isn't really true, then.

No, karma is something else. What, I don't know yet, but it's something else.

 

[Willamena]

So your cosmic zombie lover will supposedly heal other injuries caused by accidents, just not amputations? How very convenient. Do you ever tire of the mental gymnastics?

Why do you keep calling yourself names?


(Everyone else gets to be childish. I never get to be childish *pout*.)

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I seriously doubt it. Jesus healed hundreds of people here on Earth right in front of their eyes and they nailed Him to a cross.

And in doing so, if we believe the New Testament, he sowed the seed for what would become the largest religion on Earth.

 

[Willamena]

If God thinks this is justifiable than he will have to answer to me in the afterlife.

Why are you offended by this kid's condition?

 

[Willamena]

Actually, I'm not certain this Jesus character ever existed in the first place. But assuming he did, maybe he should have said what he meant rather than being so brainy.

Some things simply can't be said literally. For instance, how do you tell people about a "brokenheart" literally? Even the term "brokenheart" borrows imagery from the material world to express something entirely emotional --that's metaphor.

 

[rasor]

I look forward to reading your comments.

The point being made here is that replacing a limb would be incontestable proof of the existance of a god.All other supposable miracles can be considered as purely subjective and can have other non miraculus explanations whereas the sudden reappearance of a limb cannot ( with present technology anyway).
Therefore the point is since *god* never does this sort of miracle,he doesn't exist.

 

[LogDog]

true, but if we are talking about an Omniscient force, maybe God saw something bigger than the leg? i don't know, i'm not God, but the phrase "God works in mysterious ways" comes to mind.

It seems odd to me how these days god is so mysterious considering (if you accept what the bible suggests) he used to walk around in the holy flesh healing people in broad daylight. What gives?

 

[LogDog]

Why do you keep calling yourself names?

Is this you suggesting again that "God is you. God is me." and that "God *is* the amputee,"? If so, I'm not able to swallow it.

Some things simply can't be said literally. For instance, how do you tell people about a "brokenheart" literally? Even the term "brokenheart" borrows imagery from the material world to express something entirely emotional --that's metaphor.

Thanks for the lesson.

 

[Jeremiah]

Why are you offended by this kid's condition?

I am not; I am offened by the idea that this type of suffering is somehow justified.