Why Does God Hate Sex?

[PruePhillip]

OK... Yes, that is socialism. Not sure what they taught you about Jesus as I am no privy to that info.

Compassion does the same thing but isn't socialism because it isn't done by taxing... Without obligation (taxing) Zacchaeous gave half his money to the poor. Jesus didn't require him to give more nor did he say "do it next year".

The commandment is simply "don't forget the poor".

The problem with taxes, IMO, is that those who have more simply say "I've already paid my taxes so forget the poor" which isn't what Jesus said.

Yes, its about your love of your fellow man.
The Gospel itself isn't about Salvation Army
style grandstanding, its about changing you.
All that fellowship of man will come when you
change. But Jesus said only a few would ever
be found doing this.

 

[Altfish]

Fads, bullying, clicks, fights, troubled students that make it impossible for interested students to learn, having to learn at a slower pace because of the group when you could advance faster, kindergarten students throwing chairs at other students , (these are just a few of what the public teachers that I personally know that have mentioned to me of what they deal with)

just to name a few

That's called under investment which leads to the wealthier parents sending their kids to private schools which leads to further deterioration. Fund the schools properly and you don't have that problem.

 

[Altfish]

Jesus wasn't political, nor was he a social activist.
If you believe the Gospels then what He did in healing
was to demonstrate who He was.
As an aside - someone on the ABC in Australia made
a comment that none killed more people than Ghandi.
He was writing a book. I couldn't find anything on it,
but given the bias of the Internet that's not unusual.
I think this author might have referred to the period of
Ghandis govt when he had that back to traditional life
style thing - and people simply starved in their millions.
Don't know.

Jesus healed very few people in the gospels
Nobody killed as many as God in The Bible.

 

[PruePhillip]

Jesus healed very few people in the gospels
Nobody killed as many as God in The Bible.

Your argument has merit.
The condemnation upon the Jewish people after Jesus led to the
destruction of Ancient Israel and the enslavement, exile and killing
of millions of people. This continued to the formation of the state
of Israel today - as was prophesied.

 

[kiwimac]

And his "properly" entails hatred of those sexual practices outside of it. Read some your Bible.

God finds homosexual sex to be an abomination,
No adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God.
Lusting after a woman is committing adultery.
Those who indulge in bestiality "shall be put to death."
He even condemns sensuality
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Sound like non-hatred to you?


Probably, but as I've pointed out above he also hates a lot of sexual activities. Hating some of them enough to condemn people to death for it.

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As I have said before you are as bad as any fundamentalist. It is no use arguing with you that societies change, that what the bible reflects are those changes, that what is being commanded is being mediated through human-beings and their cultural limitations. NOPE, if the bible says "x" let's not try to understand what is being said.

 

[PruePhillip]

As I have said before you are as bad as any fundamentalist. It is no use arguing with you that societies change, that what the bible reflects are those changes, that what is being commanded is being mediated through human-beings and their cultural limitations. NOPE, if the bible says "x" let's not try to understand what is being said.

The argument is that societies change, therefor the standard of God should change.
Like sand under your feet, the moral landscape alters imperceptibly. Few agreed that "gay marriage" would be acceptable 30 years ago. Few agree that polygamy will be acceptable - but the statistics show that this too will change. One day, who knows - weekend marriages, pederasty and polyamory could become common.

 

[Kenny]

Ken, dictionaries are fine, just as statistics are fine...just be sure to use them in the pursuit of knowledge and truth, not obfuscation and confusion and justification.

Edward Albee, a great American playwright, wrote a play call "American Dream," in which the character "Mommy" says to the characters "Daddy:"

“I have a right to live off of you because I married you, and because I used to let you get on top of me and bump your uglies; and I have a right to all your money when you die.”

Do you know what? I think Daddy may have been having sex, but clearly Mommy was not!

Or perhaps you might be more interested in something Oscar Wilde said: “Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.”

See what I mean? Words can be great fun, but if we really want to communicate, we have to be careful how we use, and not abuse, them.

I really do believe I used it right.

When I was sixteen, my dad said "I'm going to make a man out of you", took to a high-rise, purchased a woman and we had sex. No love, an abuse of a woman who had no options (in Venezuela), a violation of what "sex" was suppose to be made of. Messed up my life too, for a season.

That's just plain sex, a violation as much as it is when a 14 year old is used in Thailand or a 3 year old in the States. The only difference is the age.

Intimacy, is the proper expression of sex. It involves love and care. Lust is not a part of it.

I don't think what I say is an abuse but rather a proper expression thereof.

 

[Kenny]

That's called under investment which leads to the wealthier parents sending their kids to private schools which leads to further deterioration. Fund the schools properly and you don't have that problem.

I don't agree. In our neck of the woods, we have thrown more money and more money with no change. Money isn't the answer.

Home is the answer. (And God)

Regardless of who is right, it is still the baggage at the school (which is what we were referring to)

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Hopefully I defined what I was referring to as "weakness". It was in the moral sense, if you read my post. It was referring to those who basically have the morals of alley cats, who produce children as an annoying side-effect of their unbridled sex lives, but who have no idea how to raise them. They fail to become responsible adults because they have never seen a living example of one. These children then go on to perpetuate that appalling cycle, and as a result we have generations of whole communities where police visits, drug raids and alcohol fuelled domestic violence are just part of everyday life. Should this be anyone's " normal"?



Observation and history. Have you not noticed this in your own country.....it's not confined to any one nation.....immorality is a global trend and its consequences don't seem to benefit anyone IMO. Even those who are educated and wealthy are suffering the consequences of their immoral choices. STD's are rampant, but not spoken about much....what's the point? There is no promotion of self-control anymore.....people want it all, and they want it now!....and to hell with the consequences.

Humanity suffers from many kinds of weakness.....but moral weakness is the most damaging to society in general. It kills families which form the foundations of any society. Isn't that becoming more obvious every day?

History repeats because humans fail to learn the lessons. The mighty Roman Empire was not conquered by a more powerful enemy....but fell due to its own moral collapse.

Who is paying attention?

Have you ever considered that your writing these people off as a lost cause, condemning them with your words and calling them "weak" may actually help to perpetuate this "cycle" you talk about? That the psychological effects of your humanity-bashing are less subtle and contained than you might think? Ever consider that maybe you're not one of the "good guys?"

 

[Altfish]

Home is the answer. (And God)

And that's where we part ways.
Children need to learn to be social animals and mix with other kids of different races, religion and demographic.

 

[Kenny]

And that's where we part ways.
Children need to learn to be social animals and mix with other kids of different races, religion and demographic.

Have no problem with interaction, race and religion. Young people, in formative years, being subjected to baggage is a different stories. That wasn't a problem 60 years ago.

Authority was respected and families were involved.

 

[metis]

My view is vive la difference, which includes the full acceptance of marriage between people of different religions/denominations, different "races", and other differences.

My wife and I were so vastly different when we first got married to the point whereas so many though that our marriage would never stand a chance of lasting. And yet here we are 51 years later, and so I tell my wife it's only because of my amazing level of tolerance.

And then she hits me.

 

[Skwim]

As I have said before you are as bad as any fundamentalist. It is no use arguing with you that societies change, that what the bible reflects are those changes, that what is being commanded is being mediated through human-beings and their cultural limitations. NOPE, if the bible says "x" let's not try to understand what is being said.

Then what is the Christian to do with the following?

"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8

"...having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever...." 1 Peter 1:23

"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle [a tiny mark in the original spelling of a word] will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5:18

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17

"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32

"...if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:9-10

"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar." Proverbs 30:5-6

"If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19


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Dismiss them because they don't fit his changing theology?

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[kiwimac]

The argument is that societies change, therefor the standard of God should change.
Like sand under your feet, the moral landscape alters imperceptibly. Few agreed that "gay marriage" would be acceptable 30 years ago. Few agree that polygamy will be acceptable - but the statistics show that this too will change. One day, who knows - weekend marriages, pederasty and polyamory could become common.

The "standard of God" is always human=mediated. Ahura Mazda does not turn humans into dictation machines and, according to Christian theology, nor does Yahweh. Thus what gets written as scripture is mediated through the cultural, societal and educational milieus of the writer.

 

[kiwimac]

Then what is the Christian to do with the following?

"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8

"...having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever...." 1 Peter 1:23

"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle [a tiny mark in the original spelling of a word] will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5:18

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17

"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32

"...if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:9-10

"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar." Proverbs 30:5-6

"If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19


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Dismiss them because they don't fit his changing theology?

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No, actually study rather than ripping verses out of context. Put in the hard yards. Look at the Hebrew and Greek, study the culture.

 

[BilliardsBall]

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Excerpted from an interesting blog by Steve Mason in the Huffington Post

"Sex is funny in that you can live without it, but not without paying a mental/physical price. It’s a simple pleasure that grows all out of proportion when it’s denied. If Mother Nature were allowed to have her way, this would be a far better place. And who’s behind all the brouhaha? God? Actually, it’s religion.

In order to run a successful religion, you need to follow just one rule: Have more members coming in than going out. One way to achieve this is by gaining control of their sex lives. Try to think of a religion that doesn’t have anything to say about sex. Get a grip on that one single, chemically driven aspect of life and you will have a stranglehold on your flock. The more they try to avoid it, the more they’re going to be drawn to it, and the more they’re going to feel like sinners, and the more they’re going to need you to save them. Tell people sucking lemons is evil and they won’t suck lemons and they won’t need you. Tell people sex is evil and you’ll have them stuck in a revolving door.

Now here’s the rub and the real reason I get so provoked by people who have been bamboozled into believing that copulation without at least 50 strings attached is anything but normal human behavior. The truth is that violence seems to be inversely proportional to the availability of sex. Remember generations of coaches who told the team to avoid love so they’d be full of hate for the big game? Look at riots in the street and what do you see? Mostly young, testosterone-filled males throwing bricks. Look at guys flying planes into buildings. Would they do it if it weren’t for the 79 virgins? And why do you suppose there’s such a premium on virgins? The male’s lack of experience leads to a lack of confidence, and that, in turn, leads to a raging fury against experience and confidence — so let’s find someone with neither. The weird part is that so many terrorists truly believe America is swimming in sex. If they only knew that it gets so much attention only because there’s so little action.

British comedian Eddie Izzard does a very funny and very insightful routine that involves God laying down the laws of mating. The dogs are told to do it doggie-style. The dogs go away happy. The cats are also told to do it doggie-style. The cats aren’t really happy about that, but when are cats really happy about anything? The salmon are told about swimming upstream, struggling over dams and crashing into rocks only to die at the end. Bummer. And finally, the humans are told they can do it pretty much anyway they like — as long as they feel guilty. So I get comments from obviously guilty readers telling me how scary sex really is and providing laundry lists of things that can go wrong while rolling in the hay. That God ever invented sex in the first place was clearly a mistake, so they create caveats that will at least make it as unpleasant as possible.

However, if anything, it’s a lack of sex that can be deadly. The British Medical Journal reported on a long-term study of nearly 1,000 men between the ages of 45 and 59. In our culture of scary sex, it’s perhaps not too surprising that the findings have not received the attention they deserve. You see, the data showed that the amount of sexual activity enjoyed by a man is directly proportional to both his health and longevity. Men who reported twice as much sex were half as likely to die prematurely.
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Thoughts?

Mine is a question. If god's attitude toward sex is truly not a concoction of religious leaders, but his very own, then what is his problem with it? According to the Bible god doesn't like prostitutes, homosexuality, bestiality, consensual adultery (all adultery is bad), marrying a divorced woman, premarital sex, lust, sensuality, semen, etc. etc..

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1) God created sex. He likes me! He likes you, to have pleasure!

2) Married, faithful sex plus abstinence outside marriage is healthful and wise. Most STDs would not today exist if these simple rules were followed.

3) Sex is powerful and can become, like other things, addictive and self-destructive. Sex rules, like other Bible rules, exist to bless you, not distress you.

 

[Skwim]

No, actually study rather than ripping verses out of context.

Please, with your knee-jerk "out of context" retort. I don't buy it.

Put in the hard yards. Look at the Hebrew and Greek, study the culture.

Nope, because in their churches the faithful aren't told don't go by the Hebrew and Greek, or study any other culture. They're told to read the Bible, and in English.

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[Deeje]

Have you ever considered that your writing these people off as a lost cause, condemning them with your words and calling them "weak" may actually help to perpetuate this "cycle" you talk about?

What makes you think I write them off as a lost cause? I have had a lot of experience with people from all walks of life in the 40 odd years that I have been visiting people at their homes. This personal experience, (spending time with them in their own environment,) has given me insight into what makes people into who they become as adults. I have seen first hand what living their life entails and what perpetuates the cycle they appear to be trapped in. Trying to offer them something better and a way to make their lives more self-sufficient when generational welfare dependency is all they have ever known, is sometimes a losing battle. Their "victim" mentality makes it hard to get through that they are only victims because they see themselves that way.

We don't just teach people the wise principles for living outlined in the Bible, but we help them in very practical ways as well. How to become self-sufficient is sometimes a huge learning curve because it has never been taught to be something achievable in their generations. It's a hard mentality to shake but we try our best to help people to break the cycle. I don't call that giving up on people.

That the psychological effects of your humanity-bashing are less subtle and contained than you might think? Ever consider that maybe you're not one of the "good guys?"

Oh please.....humanity bashing? Is it humanity bashing to state the obvious? Do you see governments implementing programs in schools to help the children born into poverty and lack of interest in education to lift themselves out of that dead end situation? These kids just end up dropping out of school and onto welfare, just like their parents.

I also see many parents sacrifice so much in order for their children to get a decent education and I applaud them, but for every one of those there are hundreds who don't see a need to change anything.
I watched a documentary once called "Waiting for Superman" (it's available online on Vimeo if anyone is interested) and it highlighted the systemic problems of the education system in America. It showed why the education system shares much of the blame for perpetuating this awful situation. This doco showed why we need the system and the school environment to change......but do you see any change for the better happening any time soon?

 

[Baladas]

Because Ba'al Hadad has a bigger package?

 

[kiwimac]

Please, with your knee-jerk "out of context" retort. I don't buy it.


Nope, because in their churches the faithful aren't told don't go by the Hebrew and Greek, or study any other culture. They're told to read the Bible, and in English.

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In that case keep your studied ignorance to yourself.