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Why does God not talk to all of us directly.

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Some Quranic verses:

وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ لَوْلَا يُكَلِّمُنَا اللَّهُ أَوْ تَأْتِينَا آيَةٌ ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ قَالَ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ مِثْلَ قَوْلِهِمْ ۘ تَشَابَهَتْ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ قَدْ بَيَّنَّا الْآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يُوقِنُونَ | Those who have no knowledge say, ‘Why does not Allah speak to us, or come to us a sign?’ So said those who were before them, [words] similar to what they say. Alike are their hearts. We have certainly made the signs clear for a people who have certainty. | Al-Baqara : 118


قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُ عَلَىٰ بَيِّنَةٍ مِنْ رَبِّي وَآتَانِي رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِنْدِهِ فَعُمِّيَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنُلْزِمُكُمُوهَا وَأَنْتُمْ لَهَا كَارِهُونَ | He said, ‘O my people! Tell me, should I stand on a manifest proof from my Lord, and He has granted me His own mercy—though you are blind to it—shall we force it upon you while you are averse to it? | Hud : 28

وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ بَابًا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ | Were We to open for them a gate of the sky, so that they could go on ascending through it, | Al-Hijr : 14

لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَسْحُورُونَ | they would surely say, ‘Indeed our visions has been intoxicated; indeed, we are a bewitched lot.’ | Al-Hijr : 15

وَلَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَزَيَّنَّاهَا لِلنَّاظِرِينَ | Certainly We have appointed mansions in the sky and adorned them for the onlookers, | Al-Hijr : 16


وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ لِقَاءَنَا لَوْلَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَيْنَا الْمَلَائِكَةُ أَوْ نَرَىٰ رَبَّنَا ۗ لَقَدِ اسْتَكْبَرُوا فِي أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَعَتَوْا عُتُوًّا كَبِيرًا | Those who do not expect to encounter Us say, ‘Why have angels not been sent down to us, or why do we not see our Lord?’ Certainly, they are full of arrogance within their souls and have become terribly defiant. | Al-Furqaan : 21


يَوْمَ يَرَوْنَ الْمَلَائِكَةَ لَا بُشْرَىٰ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِلْمُجْرِمِينَ وَيَقُولُونَ حِجْرًا مَحْجُورًا | The day they will see the angels, there will be no good news for the guilty on that day, and they will say, ‘Keep off [from paradise]!’ | Al-Furqaan : 22

وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ | It is not [possible] for any human that Allah should speak to him except through revelation or from behind a veil, or send a messenger who reveals by His permission whatever He wishes. Indeed He is all-exalted, all-wise. | Ash-Shura : 51

وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ رُوحًا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا ۚ مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَٰكِنْ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا نَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ نَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۚ وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ | Thus have We imbued you with a Spirit of Our command. You did not know what the Book is, nor what is faith; but We made it a light that We may guide by its means whomever We wish of Our servants. Indeed, you guide to a straight path, | Ash-Shura : 52

صِرَاطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَلَا إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الْأُمُورُ | the path of Allah, to whom belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. Indeed all matters return to Allah! | Ash-Shura : 53
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I have a somewhat strange opinion why God does not speak to everyone. I've mentioned it before.

First I don't think "speaking" is the proper word for what is happening when God is "communicating" or even better words "expressing itself" to an individual or group.

Second, I think that if God were to express itself in an obviously objectively provable manner it compromises the ability for communion with God in absolute truth. I believe that this is a necessary condition for communion. Whatever is happening in the mind or in the heart ( figuratively ) it must be 100% true. If God literally spoke to me, I would inevitably imagine God as having a voice. And this would inevitably lead to imagining some sort of english speaking god shaped form. If god is infinite and formless ( and this is my belief ) then the act of speaking to me sets up the condition where I would be sabatoged from having a true conception of God.

OTOH if I avoid any sort of intellectual understanding of God during communion, and only attach my emotions to God, then itt's not such a bg deal if God reveals itself to me in any sort of form. Even a tallking toaster oven would be fine. And who am I to arggue witth God or a talking toaster oven. :p

TThe challenge in that case would be avoiding my intellect during communion, and thats not easy.

This is why I think God is not literally speaking to me or others in an obvious overt manner.
 

amorphous_constellation

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It might be, in one view, the case that we are all in constant direct communication with the greater level, but simply do not admit it, or see it. But by this, one might infer that you should 'read into things' more, in order to see the communication. Perhaps that is not the case. Perhaps the plain thing, that we view as plain and non-communicative, is actually only that way because we decide that it is. But this experience is not plain.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
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Peace,

I want to hear people's explanation as to why. I think Quran mentions this contention and has an overall response. It links it to the idea of "proof" they are demanding as well.

Before I explain what I understand is the Quran response. I will let people tell me why in per their scriptures or understanding God does not do this with all of humanity.

Mainly because the Abrahamic expectations of deities are unreasonable and unworkable.

You could argue that other models of deity do, in fact, speak to their worshippers. Mainly by inspiring them.

But to expect that some entity would be the creator of existence itself and also speak with humans is... rather daring, I suppose.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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Peace,

I want to hear people's explanation as to why. I think Quran mentions this contention and has an overall response. It links it to the idea of "proof" they are demanding as well.

Before I explain what I understand is the Quran response. I will let people tell me why in per their scriptures or understanding God does not do this with all of humanity.
First, I agree with what @sayak83 has said in this thread.

I'll add that the experience of what we are calling God here is available to everyone. However, such an experience is usually shrouded by the din of attachment and desire to worldly things.
 

InvestigateTruth

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Peace,

I want to hear people's explanation as to why. I think Quran mentions this contention and has an overall response. It links it to the idea of "proof" they are demanding as well.

Before I explain what I understand is the Quran response. I will let people tell me why in per their scriptures or understanding God does not do this with all of humanity.
The first question I would ask is, God is not a human, He doesn't have a body, and not a mouth or tongue. So, how did He speak to Prophets or the Angel Gabriel?
He needs to have a mouth to be able to talk in Arabic or Hebrew. So, how did Moses hear God's Voice? How did Gabriel hear God's Voice in Arabic?
 

SalixIncendium

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The first question I would ask is, God is not a human, He doesn't have a body, and not a mouth or tongue. So, how did He speak to Prophets or the Angel Gabriel?
He needs to have a mouth to be able to talk in Arabic or Hebrew. So, how did Moses hear God's Voice? How did Gabriel hear God's Voice in Arabic?
That's just silly. Everyone knows God speaks Sanskrit. ;)
 

PureX

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The question assumes that God is someone else, somewhere else, with something to tell us.

Why should we presume all these conditions?
 

SalixIncendium

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OK.

I just wanted to reply with half a joke to avoid just giving the most obvious cliché answer of "because god doesn't exist". :)
But I guess you got that
I did. But I wanted to qualify that most obvious cliche answer with “as I think it would.”
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I want to hear people's explanation as to why......................
In Scripture God did speak to Adam until Adam became a law breaker ( Gen. 2:17 )
Thus, 'sin' ( breaking God's law ) is what caused the barrier to God speaking to us.
Once the ' sin issue ' ( that started in Eden ) is settled here on Earth, then once again God will speak to humanity.
In the meantime, is now why we approach God through prayer with Jesus being Mediator between God and man for us.
After the end of Jesus' coming thousand-year reign over Earth 'sin' will No longer be a problem.
That means sinless mankind will have the same original direct communication with God as originally Adam did.
 

danieldemol

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It's the same reason why the sun can only be seen in a mirror and not on a unpolished or dirty surface. The light comes, but get scattered in the turbulence of the mind so that the mind cannot recognise the source nor see it within itself.
Meh, there are plenty of us who have polished the surface of the mirror and still not seen the light in my view.
 

Quintessence

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Presuming we're talking about the god of the Abrahamic traditions, that god is so utterly beyond human conceptions it is honestly a bit odd to expect it to be able to meaningfully communicate with humans. Even many of the gods I worship - which are considerably easier to understand - don't communicate in the means humans would prefer (aka, with words).

Don't expect the oak tree to speak crow.
 

soulsurvivor

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Peace,

I want to hear people's explanation as to why. I think Quran mentions this contention and has an overall response. It links it to the idea of "proof" they are demanding as well.

Before I explain what I understand is the Quran response. I will let people tell me why in per their scriptures or understanding God does not do this with all of humanity.
God wants us all to have free-will and not act and think as if someone was looking over our shoulder all the time.

If God talked to us directly, we would be forced to do whatever he says. Only if he is invisible and silent, will we be totally free to do what we want.
 

stvdv

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Peace,

I want to hear people's explanation as to why. I think Quran mentions this contention and has an overall response. It links it to the idea of "proof" they are demanding as well.

Before I explain what I understand is the Quran response. I will let people tell me why in per their scriptures or understanding God does not do this with all of humanity.
"God" talks without discrimination

People usually are to talkative, hence can't hear/listen
 
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