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HEATHEN ALASKAN
Bottom in Greek is “kato” while “torment” is “basanos”. You intentionally mistranslated or changed the word “TORMENT” with “BOTTOM” but gave the right meaning in Greek, and that is, “BASANOS”.
ING - As usual you have it wrong. The word used IS basanos.
basanos
bas'-an-os
Perhaps remotely from the same as G939 (through the notion of going to the bottom); a touch stone, that is, (by analogy) torture: - torment.
Note that - to the bottom - is its actual meaning, and they then add - analogy torment.
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The rich man was in hades “being in torment” while Abraham and Lazarus were NOT in hades and not “being in torment”
ING - Again wrong! And obviously you ignored the extra material I provided!
Scofield Reference Notes - (Greek, "hadēs", "the unseen world," is revealed as the place of departed human spirits between death and resurrection). The word occurs, (Mat_11:23); (Mat_16:18); (Luk_10:15); (Act_2:27); (Act_2:31); (Rev_1:18); (Rev_6:8); (Rev_20:13); (Rev_20:14) and is the equivalent of the Old Testament "sheol."
Hades is the Greek word replacing SHEOL! There is NO HELL in Sheol! As such NO FIRE!
He finds himself in Sheol, no more time to remedy his wrongs, which have placed him at the bottom. He looks up with a burning yearning for what he has lost, by his own actions.
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LK 16:23 “In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
IOW, only the rich man was in hades, and not like you suggested here “First notice that they ALL are in Hades/Sheol.”
ING - They are ALL in Hades/Sheol - as Sheol is where ALL go to await final Judgment. His actions created a gulf he cannot pass, to reach the righteous dead. Let me repeat - there is no "hell" here - so same place.
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Where did it say they all in hades?
I know what you going say, Christians changed the word “BOTTOM” into “TORMENT”, but Greek does not lie because it says “BASANOS”
ING - I suggest you reread above in this post, where I explain that you are wrong!
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And here’s another proof that there is no such thing as purgatory.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Present with the Lord in purgatory?
ING - First off, they are not in Hell. They are in holding. So, why could that not be in the presence of God? His yearning would be intense if he sensed the presence (spirit) of God (in his now spirit body,) and realized how far from him, he placed himself.
Also - 2Co 5:1-8 is talking about human body as apposed to spirit body - which is of God.
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (In the human realm)
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be in the presence of the Lord.
Doesn't say anything about being in heaven. Just in the presence of God, no longer in the body.
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Ac 7:56 "Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
Heaven is in purgatory?
ING - First - this is sky/the heavens, not Heaven. It is "ouranos."
ouranos
oo-ran-os'
Perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky;
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into the heavens, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
And I will add - even if it had been Heaven - what would his looking into heaven - have to do with dead people waiting in Hades/Sheol to be Judged?
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