Why Does Public Tolerate Illegal Cop Behavior?

[SomeRandom]

If we only focus on the bad won't that take away from the good?

No. If I get an A in Maths but F in history, I might get a pat on the back from my maths teacher. But I will have to actively look for a way to improve my history grade. I can’t just be like, “well I got more passing grades than failing ones. Why not focus on my A’s?”
That doesn’t solve the problem

 

[We Never Know]

No. If I get an A in Maths but F in history, I might get a pat on the back from my maths teacher. But I will have to actively look for a way to improve my history grade. I can’t just be like, “well I got more passing grades than failing ones. Why not focus on my A’s?”
That doesn’t solve the problem

Getting grades in school is no comparison to how cops perform.
If 15% of cops are bad and 85% are good...but we only focus on the bad, isn't that ignoring the majority that are good?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes. Lets overlook the good and only focus on the bad. That's best right. Does the bad out number the good?

Praising the good cops (bluewashing?) won't
fix any of the problems with the bad ones.
I present what I do in order to inspire change.
No one's preventing threads praising good cops.

Look at the daily news. People with pot possession are getting harsher sentences than child molesters, etc.

Links?
BTW, I favor ending the War On Drugs & criminalization of sex work.

As for "chomos", their time in prison sounds like no picnic.
Caution: Offensive content
Relevant material starts about 15:00.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think they should be banned from using dogs. It's cruel amd forces dogs to be put into potentially dangerous situations.

If K9s are properly trained to be useful
without being vicious, it would be OK.

 

[Revoltingest]

The "good" are bad as well with their silence and blind eyes.

Aye, very often "good" cops won't rat on or stop
bad cop misbehavior, thereby enabling it. But
occasionally a good cop will stop the bad cop
from abusing a civilian....

 

[SomeRandom]

Getting grades in school is no comparison to how cops perform.
If 15% of cops are bad and 85% are good...but we only focus on the bad, isn't that ignoring the majority that are good?

Relax my friend. It was merely an analogy.

Try this.
Say there are 10 fires and through negligence and perhaps corruption, only 6 are put out.
Sure, it’s awesome that those 6 fires were put out. But we need to address why the other 4 weren’t. And focus might be put on those 4 because whilst it’s the minority, it is still destructive to both the community and to the fire department.

The use of “but 6 were put out by the good firefighters” is nothing but a deflection. Whataboutism, if you like.
So instead of discussing what we could do to potentially help “fix” the issue, we are instead arguing about what percentage of the workers are good and bad and accusations of bias. So productivity is not what it can be when discussing a real issue.
You get what I mean?

 

[Kfox]

Which convict are getting off so easily in what way?

Where I live, If a criminal can out run the cop, you can get away with the crime. If you commit a crime, and you get in your car and drive fast the cops aren’t allowed to chase you. You can go to a store, steal whatever you want, run out and they aren't allowed to chase you.

Would being harsher to convicts be a greater
deterrent to crime or reduce recidivism?

Of course! Once criminals figure out how to get away with crime, it will encourage criminal behavior.

 

[Revoltingest]

Where I live, If a criminal can out run the cop, you can get away with the crime. If you commit a crime, and you get in your car and drive fast the cops aren’t allowed to chase you. You can go to a store, steal whatever you want, run out and they aren't allowed to chase you.

The poster's claim was about treatment in courts though.

Of course! Once criminals figure out how to get away with crime, it will encourage criminal behavior.

This is a problem in a rather free society, ie, it's easier
to get away with crimes. But if more deadly power is
given to cops, this solution can become worse than the
problem.
There are advantages to now allowing cops to shoot
fleeing suspects who pose no danger to others. And to
not allow high speed chases that are more dangerous
to innocents than the person being chased.
Suspects might still be identified & apprehended later.

This interesting case involves a woman who followed
her state's guidelines about a traffic stop, ie, turning on
her flashers to indicate driving to a safe place to park.
But the impatient cop was unaware of state policy, so he
used the PIT maneuver to flip her car, nearly killing her.

Was her crime really worth the risk of death/injury just
because she didn't pull over as quickly as he wanted?
Did this violent act serve as a disincentive to criminal acts?
Nah.

 

[We Never Know]

Relax my friend. It was merely an analogy.

Try this.
Say there are 10 fires and through negligence and perhaps corruption, only 6 are put out.
Sure, it’s awesome that those 6 fires were put out. But we need to address why the other 4 weren’t. And focus might be put on those 4 because whilst it’s the minority, it is still destructive to both the community and to the fire department.

The use of “but 6 were put out by the good firefighters” is nothing but a deflection. Whataboutism, if you like.
So instead of discussing what we could do to potentially help “fix” the issue, we are instead arguing about what percentage of the workers are good and bad and accusations of bias. So productivity is not what it can be when discussing a real issue.
You get what I mean?

I'm not saying to overlook the bad cops.
I'm saying we shouldn't only focus on the bad cops.

For example...
Some people think all christians are bad because they only focus on the bad ones giving them all a bad wrap.

Some people think all atheists are bad because they only focus on the bad ones giving them all a bad wrap.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not saying to overlook the bad cops.
I'm saying we shouldn't only focus on the bad cops.

For example...
Some people think all christians are bad because they only focus on the bad ones giving them all a bad wrap.

Some people think all atheists are bad because they only focus on the bad ones giving them all a bad wrap.

In a thread created to examine public tolerance
bad cops, it will necessarily be about bad cops.
It's not here to polish their image.

Nothing is preventing anyone from starting a
thread to praise the good ones. DS created one.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm not saying to overlook the bad cops.
I'm saying we shouldn't only focus on the bad cops.

For example...
Some people think all christians are bad because they only focus on the bad ones giving them all a bad wrap.

Some people think all atheists are bad because they only focus on the bad ones giving them all a bad wrap.

I get what you’re saying.
But by constantly bringing up the “good cops” as a counter, stressing that part of the focus belongs to them, it only gets us bogged down in semantic games. Instead of actually trying to address the issues facing the police department and indeed the public.

I’m not at all saying that every cop is a corrupt jerk. Many are genuinely good workers who strive to “protect and serve” with pride.
Or even that every cop who stays silent when they view an instance of corruption does so out of malice or even choice. Sometimes they could simply be in a tough spot and choose the path of least resistance. They may even just be beholden to a broken system. Just trying to do their best in an impossible situation. But we’re not going to help them by squabbling over how much good or bad the department does. You do not fix a broken limb by allocating time to admire the functionality of the others. You address the broken one and try to fix it. (Only using that as an analogy.)

IOW, we need to address the issue of “bad cops.” We cannot do that if we are praising the actions of the good ones. Unless you want to use that as an example that others should strive for. But as the issue is seemingly systematic, even the good actions are just folks doing their best against the odds. Instead we should be building a system that not only encourages great police work, but learns and adapts to the changing world. Imo

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If K9s are properly trained to be useful
without being vicious, it would be OK.

I think it's wrong to put the dogs in harms way.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think it's wrong to put the dogs in harms way.

They're just dogs.
If they can reduce harm to humans,
especially civilians, then I approve.

 

[Ashoka]

They're just dogs.
If they can reduce harm to humans,
especially civilians, then I approve.

Nah, I prefer dogs, animals really, over humans. But that's for another discussion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nah, I prefer dogs, animals really, over humans. But that's for another discussion.

I value humans more than dogs.

 

[Ashoka]

I value humans more than dogs.

Humans are animals anyway, and in my view, we share the same value. We aren't inherently "better" than other animals.

Actually, hang on, this would make an interesting thread.

 

[Revoltingest]

Humans are animals anyway, and in my view, we share the same value. We aren't inherently "better" than other animals.

Actually, hang on, this would make an interesting thread.

I don't believe in the all-animals-are-equal claim.
People who claim such don't believe it either.
I have proof!
Given a choice to save their child or their pet dog.
People will always pick the child. People matter
more than dogs. This isn't philosophical. It's just
how things are.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They're just dogs.
If they can reduce harm to humans,
especially civilians, then I approve.

It's still abusive. And they're not "just dogs." They are sentient, self aware animals who can suffer just as we do being exposed to stressful and traumatic situations.
They shouldn't be put in harm's way.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's still abusive. And they're not "just dogs." They are sentient, self aware animals who can suffer just as we do being exposed to stressful and traumatic situations.
They shouldn't be put in harm's way.

Dogs are significantly less valued than humans.
We can use them, put them at risk for our benefit,
& do so with a minimum of harm....IMO.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Dogs are significantly less valued than humans.
We can use them, put them at risk for our benefit,
& do so with a minimum of harm....IMO.

With their mentality it's like telling a small child to do something dangerous. They don't comprehend the risks, they can't really say no, and they'll do it anyways for the praise and approval. Police and military dogs are taken advantage of in this way.
Amd, really we should value dogs much higher than we do. They can teach us a lot about getting along and unconditional love.