Why does the believer in God's existence have the burden of proof?

[SkepticThinker]

Saying you are an agnostic atheist makes about as much sense as saying you are a Christian Satanist. the two words have opposite meanings, look em up in a dictionary.

No they don't.

The former is about knowledge, the latter about belief.

 

[Lyndon]

We're talking about the definition of agnosticism, not atheism, weren't you reading my comments.

 

[leibowde84]

An agnostic by definition lacks a belief in BOTH God and the non existence of God. Hence they can not be atheist.

See definition provided above. You are dead wrong. Atheism only requires a lack of belief, not a belief that God does not exist. Agnosticism is noted as a possible synonym.

 

[Lyndon]

BS

 

[leibowde84]

We're talking about the definition of agnosticism, not atheism, weren't you reading my comments.

You keep on claiming incorrectly that a lack of belief in the existence of God is not sufficient to be Co sidereal an atheist. You are wrong and I showed you by citing the definition of atheism.

 

[leibowde84]

BS

Lol. So I provided the definition to you and you are so stubborn that you think you are right and the dictionary is wrong?

 

[Lyndon]

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

adjective

1. 1.
   of or relating to agnostics or agnosticism.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

1. Show me any atheist who claims they have no disbelief in God, they don't exist.

 

[leibowde84]

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

adjective

1. 1.
   of or relating to agnostics or agnosticism.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More
   Show me any atheist who claims they have no disbelief in God, they don't exist.

Ok. Where does it say that agnostics can't be atheists? And, most atheists only lack a belief. They don't make positive claims. Some very notable atheists actually make this point. Only strong atheists actively believe that God cannot exist.

 

[leibowde84]

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

adjective

1. 1.
   of or relating to agnostics or agnosticism.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

1. Show me any atheist who claims they have no disbelief in God, they don't exist.

Also, didn't skeptical thinker just say this. He does not hold a belief in God, but he makes no claims about actively believing that God can't exist.

 

[Lyndon]

Because agnostics don't claim disbelief in God (atheists do), pure and simple; is that too hard for you to understand??

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because agnostics don't claim disbelief in God (atheists do), pure and simple; is that too hard for you to understand??

I am an agnostic atheist. Many people identify as agnostic atheists for the reasons explained.

 

[leibowde84]

Because agnostics don't claim disbelief in God (atheists do), pure and simple; is that too hard for you to understand??

They dont need to. That is why I provided the definition for atheism. Only a lack of belief is required. No more. Why is that so hard for you to understand??? Not a difficult concept.

 

[leibowde84]

Because agnostics don't claim disbelief in God (atheists do), pure and simple; is that too hard for you to understand??

Disbelief is a lack of belief. It is not an active belief that something does not exist. See how it says "lack of faith"?
dis·be·lief
ˌdisbəˈlēf/
noun

1. inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real.
   "Laura shook her head in disbelief"
   synonyms: incredulity, astonishment, amazement,surprise, incredulousness;More
   
   • lack of faith in something.
     "I'll burn in hell for disbelief"
     synonyms: atheism, nonbelief, unbelief,godlessness, irreligion, agnosticism,nihilism
     "in the film religious faith and disbelief are interwoven"

 

[Lyndon]

We are talking about the definition of agnosticism, and you don't understand it so you keep switching the conversation to atheism, something who's definition you seem to understand, Agnostics by definition have neither an established belief in God, or an established belief that there is no God, that's what an agnostic is. Perhaps you should do a little reading on agnosticism before you comment any further.

 

[Nakosis]

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

adjective

1. 1.
   of or relating to agnostics or agnosticism.
   synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

1. Show me any atheist who claims they have no disbelief in God, they don't exist.

This last part "Show me any atheist who claims they have no disbelief in God, they don't exist." You are using two negatives which usually makes a positive. What I read is "Show me any atheist who claims they have belief in God, they don't exist.

So your probably right, such a person doesn't exist.

 

[leibowde84]

We are talking about the definition of agnosticism, and you don't understand it so you keep switching the conversation to atheism, something who's definition you seem to understand, Agnostics by definition have neither an established belief in God, or an established belief that there is no God, that what an agnostic is. perhpas you should do a little reading on agnosticism before you comment any further.

It appears that you have a reading comprehension problem. Again, agnostics lack the belief that God exists. This is all that is required for atheism. I agree with your definition of agnosticism. They aren't mutually exclusive. That is clear by the dictionary listing agnosticism as a possible synonym for atheism.

 

[Lyndon]

This last part "Show me any atheist who claims they have no disbelief in God, they don't exist." You are using two negatives which usually makes a positive. What I read is "Show me any atheist who claims they have belief in God, they don't exist.

So your probably right, such a person doesn't exist.

That's exactly what I meant, an agnostic on the other hand has no disbelief in the existence of God (skepticism yes), and atheist does.

 

[leibowde84]

That's exactly what I meant, an agnostic on the other hand has no disbelief in the existence of God (skepticism yes), and atheist does.

Since disbelief is defined as a lack of faith in God, an agnostic does hold that disbelief. Further you are ignoring the fact that an active belief that God does not exist is not required for atheism. Only a lack of belief is. Why do you keep ignoring this?

 

[leibowde84]

That's exactly what I meant, an agnostic on the other hand has no disbelief in the existence of God (skepticism yes), and atheist does.

Atheism does not require the belief that God does not exist. Simply being without a belief in the existence of God is sufficient. That is my entire argument. And I provided the definition that supports this.

 

[Lyndon]

You're not worth debating with, you've redefined agnosticism as atheism and expect all of us to go along for the ride, have fun with your beliefs, you're free to believe any nonsense you want to.