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Why does the US Support Israel?

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Why ?

Since what date , 1776 ?
List of reasons why Iran hate USA.
I am not deep on history relationship between USA and Iran.
As i know. Shah Iran was USA puppy .

I think at Iraq iran war, USA supported Iraq against Iran.

Also unfair sanctions.
Of course they do.

Some Muslims want to spread Sharia. Those Muslims are called Islamists. So Hamas for example are BOTH terrorists AND Islamists.
In our religion is normal to invite others to our religion, same as christianity and some other religion.
Everyone free, accept or reject, nothing obligation.

How about spread democracy by wars in middle east.

Do you want our ME countries freed from Sharia, you already occupied by zionism?

Israel regime is more dangerous than Hamas.
Hamas is not racist or criminal in their idealogy.
They don't allow kill children or women or torture hostages.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
List of reasons why Iran hate USA.
I am not deep on history relationship between USA and Iran.
As i know. Shah Iran was USA puppy .

I think at Iraq iran war, USA supported Iraq against Iran.

Also unfair sanctions.

In our religion is normal to invite others to our religion, same as christianity and some other religion.
Everyone free, accept or reject, nothing obligation.

How about spread democracy by wars in middle east.

Do you want our ME countries freed from Sharia, you already occupied by zionism?

Israel regime is more dangerous than Hamas.
Hamas is not racist or criminal in their idealogy.
They don't allow kill children or women or torture hostages.
And in 1953, the CIA overthrew Iran's elected
leader to install the Shah. And US Navy shot
down an Iranian civilian airliner, never admitting
the incompetence of its officers.
 

BrokenBread

Member
Nah. That's too simple.
But hate can arise from tribalism.
And from desire for property belonging to others.
And from scripture telling people they're superior to others.
So one minute it's all about the spiritual
But the next minute it's not ?
You do realize we are talking about Jerusalem don't you ?
Name me a piece of "Property" that is more spiritually significant, more in dispute, and more of an instant flashpoint for violence between the Jews and Arabs than the Temple Mount ?
I don't believe you can .
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
And in 1953, the CIA overthrew Iran's elected
leader to install the Shah. And US Navy shot
down an Iranian civilian airliner, never admitting
the incompetence of its officers.
This when USA had Israel behavior !

I believe the zionist regimes in Israel and Ukraine,are depends on USA"AIPAC "

I guess most Americans don't agree with their money goes to these both regimes. Especially to kill innocents.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So one minute it's all about the spiritual
But the next minute it's not ?
I don't see spirituality as part of the problem...or solution.
You do realize we are talking about Jerusalem don't you ?
Name me a piece of "Property" that is more spiritually significant, more in dispute, and more of an instant flashpoint for violence between the Jews and Arabs than the Temple Mount ?
I don't believe you can .
IMO spirituality is irrelevant.
But religion & real estate are.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This when USA had Israel behavior !

I believe the zionist regimes in Israel and Ukraine,are depends on USA"AIPAC "

I guess most Americans don't agree with their money goes to these both regimes. Especially to kill innocents.
Americans are divided on where their money should go.
But the parties in power are unified about Israel & the genocide.
 

BrokenBread

Member
List of reasons why Iran hate USA.
I am not deep on history relationship between USA and Iran.
As i know. Shah Iran was USA puppy .

I think at Iraq iran war, USA supported Iraq against Iran.

Also unfair sanctions.

I see, so the citizens of Iran that are being tortured , hanged, blinded , etc,etc,etc,,, by the thousands for protesting , are protesting because their main concern is the seething hate for America and the Jews they have, and they just feel that the ruling Mullahs are not acting upon their hate ferociously enough in terror attacks ?

More than 120 protesters blinded by Iranian agents, probe confirms

UC Berkeley’s Human Rights Center says the victims, most aged 30 and under, suffered partial or full loss of sight in the government crackdown on protests demanding women’s rights.
By Edward Lempinen
An informal portrait of Kosar Eftekhari with a medical patch over her right eye

An Iranian security agent shot Kosar Eftekhari at close range with a paintball gun in October 2022 as the government tried to suppress mass protests against the death of Mahsa Amini while in police custody. Eftekhari, who lost sight in her eye, spoke at an event Tuesday, March 19, during a session at the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva, Switzerland.
Courtesy of the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center
March 21, 2024
The Human Rights Center at UC Berkeley has verified for the first time that roughly 120 people lost some or all of their sight when Iranian security agents firing shotguns, paintball guns and even tear gas canisters cracked down on women’s rights protests that erupted in late 2022.
Center investigators stop short of saying that security forces broadly intended to blind the protesters. But some of the victims were shot in the face at close range, and evidence in other cases also supports that conclusion, according to analysis presented Tuesday (March 19) during a side event as the U.N. Human Rights Council met in Geneva, Switzerland.
Many of the victims were students, and the majority were 30 years old or younger, according to Berkeley’s student-led investigative team. One confirmed victim was a 5-year-old girl standing on a balcony as demonstrations took place on the street below.
“As I reviewed photos of injuries and videos of protestors being beaten and shot at, I saw people who were young, like me, and also many women, like me,” said senior Melinda Zou, a co-leader of the team.
“I saw the bravery of people our age — university students taking to the streets and putting their lives on the line — and that really resonated with me.”
Alexa Koenig, faculty co-director of the Human Rights Center, said the data presented by Berkeley and its partners eventually could serve as evidence in prosecutions to hold Iranian leaders and their agents accountable in international legal bodies.
In the meantime, Koenig added, the findings “can be used by journalists, human rights advocates and others to bring more attention to what’s happening on the ground in Iran — and to advocate for a better future for the people who really are suffering the effects of government crackdowns.”
Koenig presented the Berkeley findings by video on a panel with Sara Hossain, a Bangladeshi lawyer who chairs the Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Islamic Republic of Iran. The investigative panel was established by the U.N. Human Rights Council in November 2022, and the council is now weighing whether to renew its mandate and to deepen its probe into Iran’s violent suppression of women’s rights campaigns.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I see, so the citizens of Iran that are being tortured , hanged, blinded , etc,etc,etc,,, by the thousands for protesting , are protesting because their main concern is the seething hate for America and the Jews they have, and they just feel that the ruling Mullahs are not acting upon their hate ferociously enough in terror attacks ?

More than 120 protesters blinded by Iranian agents, probe confirms

UC Berkeley’s Human Rights Center says the victims, most aged 30 and under, suffered partial or full loss of sight in the government crackdown on protests demanding women’s rights.
By Edward Lempinen
An informal portrait of Kosar Eftekhari with a medical patch over her right eye

An Iranian security agent shot Kosar Eftekhari at close range with a paintball gun in October 2022 as the government tried to suppress mass protests against the death of Mahsa Amini while in police custody. Eftekhari, who lost sight in her eye, spoke at an event Tuesday, March 19, during a session at the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva, Switzerland.
Courtesy of the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center
March 21, 2024
The Human Rights Center at UC Berkeley has verified for the first time that roughly 120 people lost some or all of their sight when Iranian security agents firing shotguns, paintball guns and even tear gas canisters cracked down on women’s rights protests that erupted in late 2022.
Center investigators stop short of saying that security forces broadly intended to blind the protesters. But some of the victims were shot in the face at close range, and evidence in other cases also supports that conclusion, according to analysis presented Tuesday (March 19) during a side event as the U.N. Human Rights Council met in Geneva, Switzerland.
Many of the victims were students, and the majority were 30 years old or younger, according to Berkeley’s student-led investigative team. One confirmed victim was a 5-year-old girl standing on a balcony as demonstrations took place on the street below.
“As I reviewed photos of injuries and videos of protestors being beaten and shot at, I saw people who were young, like me, and also many women, like me,” said senior Melinda Zou, a co-leader of the team.
“I saw the bravery of people our age — university students taking to the streets and putting their lives on the line — and that really resonated with me.”
Alexa Koenig, faculty co-director of the Human Rights Center, said the data presented by Berkeley and its partners eventually could serve as evidence in prosecutions to hold Iranian leaders and their agents accountable in international legal bodies.
In the meantime, Koenig added, the findings “can be used by journalists, human rights advocates and others to bring more attention to what’s happening on the ground in Iran — and to advocate for a better future for the people who really are suffering the effects of government crackdowns.”
Koenig presented the Berkeley findings by video on a panel with Sara Hossain, a Bangladeshi lawyer who chairs the Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Islamic Republic of Iran. The investigative panel was established by the U.N. Human Rights Council in November 2022, and the council is now weighing whether to renew its mandate and to deepen its probe into Iran’s violent suppression of women’s rights campaigns.
We are watching HD live hypocrisy of USA, and West، humans rights and women rights Gaza and West bank and Lebanon.

Women rights and humans rights is bull**** claims to change regimes whom against West.
Agreed?
 
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BrokenBread

Member
We are watching HD live hypocrisy of USA, and West، humans rights and women rights Gaza and West bank and Lebanon.

Women rights and humans rights is bull**** claims to change regimes whom against West.
Agreed?
So Iran has to kill , imprison ,torture it's own citizens because the citizens do not hate enough ?
Are you sure about that ?

Parties
2019–2020 Iranian protests






15 November 2019 – 19 November 2019 (4 days, main phase)
Spillover clashes lasted until 16 July 2020
LocationThroughout Iran, in 29 provinces, 104 cities and 719 places.[1]
Caused by
Goals
MethodsDemonstrations, riots, sit-ins, civil resistance, strikes, online activisms, arson
Resulted in
Protesters
Support by most anti-Islamic Republic organizations
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Americans are divided on where their money should go.
But the parties in power are unified about Israel & the genocide.
I read yesterday an article about both parties are on service of AIPAC,
AIPAC invest (buy) most of seats congress,by about 100 million dollars , to send 20 billions dollars to Israel .
what a business !
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I read yesterday an article about both parties are on service of AIPAC,
AIPAC invest (buy) most of seats congress,by about 100 million dollars , to send 20 billions dollars to Israel .
what a business !
To say they "buy" seats isn't shown.
Pro-Israel anti-Palestinian seats come
for free because voters feel that way.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
So Iran has to kill , imprison ,torture it's own citizens because the citizens do not hate enough ?
Are you sure about that ?

Parties
2019–2020 Iranian protests






15 November 2019 – 19 November 2019 (4 days, main phase)
Spillover clashes lasted until 16 July 2020
LocationThroughout Iran, in 29 provinces, 104 cities and 719 places.[1]
Caused by
Goals
MethodsDemonstrations, riots, sit-ins, civil resistance, strikes, online activisms, arson
Resulted in
Protesters
Support by most anti-Islamic Republic organizations
You care only about Irans ?
Arabic Kings of oil are more dictators but the West agree with them since they are obedience to the West.

How about "the humanity" in Gaza and West Bank ?
 
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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
And in 1953, the CIA overthrew Iran's elected
leader to install the Shah. And US Navy shot
down an Iranian civilian airliner, never admitting
the incompetence of its officers.

It never pays, imo, to get involved with the politics of other countries.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Looks to me like Uncle Sam picked up the uncritical support for Zionism from England.
But stealing land, ethno-nationalism and bombing Muslims is something Uncle Sam and Zionists do share in common.

And what happened on 10-7?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
In our religion is normal to invite others to our religion, same as christianity and some other religion.
Everyone free, accept or reject, nothing obligation.

I do not like Islam and I do not like Christianity. I believe they both have very, very bloody histories of "converting" people using force and violence. For the last 1400 years it has often been the case that non-Muslims were NOT free to reject Islam (and the same goes for Christianity).

I don't believe in war, in the ME or elsewhere. And as I've said, I think "the west" has made terrible mistakes in the ME.

But that doesn't give terrorists excuses.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I do not like Islam and I do not like Christianity. I believe they both have very, very bloody histories of "converting" people using force and violence. For the last 1400 years it has often been the case that non-Muslims were NOT free to reject Islam (and the same goes for Christianity).

I don't believe in war, in the ME or elsewhere. And as I've said, I think "the west" has made terrible mistakes in the ME.

But that doesn't give terrorists excuses.

There are big different between Islam teaching and some muslims.

There is rare force to convert.
Which don't represent most of the story.
Force example, Asia and north Africa.

Whatever you didn't mention, our current problem racist regime Israel, nor zionism!
Or it's ok because they killing/oppression "muslims "?
 

BrokenBread

Member
I do not like Islam and I do not like Christianity. I believe they both have very, very bloody histories of "converting" people using force and violence. For the last 1400 years it has often been the case that non-Muslims were NOT free to reject Islam (and the same goes for Christianity).
Christianity cannot be forced on a person according to scripture.
You can find nothing between the front and back cover of the bible that states that or gives an example of that .
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I do not like Islam and I do not like Christianity. I believe they both have very, very bloody histories of "converting" people using force and violence. For the last 1400 years it has often been the case that non-Muslims were NOT free to reject Islam (and the same goes for Christianity).

I don't believe in war, in the ME or elsewhere. And as I've said, I think "the west" has made terrible mistakes in the ME.

But that doesn't give terrorists excuses.
Recent WW1 WW2 killed probably 80 millions done by non muslims, next WW3 which will finish this life sure would done by non muslims.

So, you have to extend/oriented your hate.
We are just angels to the what the West did and doing and will do.
 
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