Why does the US Support Israel?

[Godobeyer]

Yes, it can mean stingy. But in science it means that the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation.

So a neutral, unbiased, parsimonious reading of the Quran leads us to the conclusion that the Quran frequently instructs Muslims to be violent towards non-believers. And as we've seen in your posts, your hope is that all the world will become Muslims or commit suicide?? wow!

In order for a person to conclude that the Quran is not violent, they would have to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to interpret the words that are actually quite clear.

So for me to say the Quran is violent is parsimonious. For you to say it's not requires you to perform all sorts of dodgy interpretations.

Good you know about interpretations.

I am waiting your 15 years experience.
Which no muslim in world know about.

"suicide" it's was joke.

 

[Kathryn]

In the context of visiting death & destruction
upon people God hates, the name calling serves
to further demonize the victims.

Oh I forgot how sensitive everyone is today.

 

[Kathryn]

And as we observe from the actions of so many Christians,
theft, violence, & murder are acceptable. And in the history
of Christianity, only recently did it move away from slavery.

I doubt they were following the teachings of Christ.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh I forgot how sensitive everyone is today.

Toughen up then, toots!
This is a rock'm sock'm forum.

 

[Revoltingest]

I doubt they were following the teachings of Christ.

So many teachings.
So vague.
So many Bible stories.
And all being translations of translations of poetic language.
People infer what they infer.
And much of that justifies slavery, theft, murder,
oppression, starvation, fanaticism, & genocide.
It is what it is.

 

[Kathryn]

So many teachings.
So vague.
So many Bible stories.
And all being translations of translations of poetic language.
People infer what they infer.
And much of that justifies slavery, theft, murder,
oppression, starvation, fanaticism, & genocide.
It is what it is.

It is whatever you think it is, to you. I don't find much of the New Testament to be confusing, though I avoid Revelations generally.

 

[Kathryn]

Toughen up then, toots!
This is a rock'm sock'm forum.

Oh I'm tough though I do worry about some other people.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is whatever you think it is...

Wrongo pongo!
It is what Christians actually do

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh I'm tough though I do worry about some other people.

Darwin will sort them.

 

[Kathryn]

Wrongo pongo!
It is what Christians actually do

Not in my house. Which is all I am responsible for, thankfully.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not in my house. Which is all I am responsible for, thankfully.

You are one of the cogs in the Christianity continuum.
In your own small way, you'll skew what Christianity is
in the direction of peace. But you're one of millions.
In aggregate, Christians are currently pursuing
genocide in Gaza with great sanctimony.

 

[Kathryn]

You are one of the cogs in the Christianity continuum.
In your own small way, you'll skew what Christianity is
in the direction of peace. But you're one of millions.
In aggregate, Christians are currently pursuing
genocide in Gaza with great sanctimony.

Well, I am not responsible for that. I only worry about what I am actually responsible for fixing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, I am not responsible for that.

I didn't & don't give you responsibility for that.
But Christianity is responsible.
Along with Judaism.

 

[Kathryn]

I didn't & don't give you responsibility for that.

Good.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We need to promote peace among all these nations which are so diverse.

"promoting peace" won't do much good in authoritarian countries who tend to seek to get what they want through the barrel of a gun.

And all people of the Mediterranean, whether they speak Spanish, or Arabic or Turkish desire peace and not war. Peace favors prosperity and freedom.

Most people desire peace, prosperity and freedom.
It's the leaders of certain nations that prefer hostilities and who generally only want prosperity and freedom for themselves, while their citizens remain poor and oppressed instead of free.

We all expect the US and the NATO to promote peace in this area of the world...and if some hideous and godless warmongers want to use Israelis or Arabs or Turks as cannon fodder to sow hatred and conflicts... this means that the peace we can achieve (and people here have understood it is achievable) is hated by devilish warmongers.

I don't think the US / Israel is as much interested in peace in that area of the world as they are interested in domination.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What about the destruction of Israel?

Do you think the current behavior of Israel is going to make people there not want its destruction?
It seems to me that all they are accomplishing, is creating more and more enemies.

the Holocaust? etc.?

That was 80 years ago and it has nothing to do with what is happening today.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You talk about peace, and yet you blame Israel??? So, what Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Houthis, Syrian and Iraqi Shi'i elements have repeatedly been doing with the rockets and missiles, are for peace? You gotta be kidding!!!

The fact is that in reality none of these factions, even combined, are a match for the state of Israel.
At this point, it looks like Israel is killing flies with bazooka's.

All they are doing, is providing these factions with even more reasons to hate Israel. Providing them with easy ammunition to fuel propaganda to gather even more support for their terrorist cause.

Imagine being a 5-year old boy in Gaza today.
You hear the Hamas or other Jihadi propaganda about how Israel is the devil and must be destroyed.

In which situation will you be more inclined to swallow that propaganda?
Situation A:
- Israel gives Gazan their dignity as human beings, builds schools and hospitals, etc

Situation B:
- Israel bombs your neighborhood to smithereens, killing your father and brothers, prevents humanitarian aid from coming in and lets Gazan starve to death as a result.

I'm not saying terrorists shouldn't be fought. But one has to think about the future also and have some respect for humanity.
As it stands, for every Hamas fighter they kill, they are creating 5 potential new ones.

That, and off course to obvious and complete lack of respect for rules of war and human rights, engaging in war crime after war crime.
The only thing I see Israel do, is make a bad situation even worse.

 

[metis]

Do you think the current behavior of Israel is going to make people there not want its destruction?
It seems to me that all they are accomplishing, is creating more and more enemies.

So, if your people were repeatedly attacked, what would you do?

That was 80 years ago and it has nothing to do with what is happening today.

Unless you're Jewish.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So, if your people were repeatedly attacked, what would you do?

Answer that question from the perspective of a Palestinian.

 

[metis]

Let me just add to the above that even though Israel has the full right to defend itself, I strongly believe that Netanyahu and his Likud coalition have gone too far. There may be a ceasefire with Hezbollah in the works, and I certainly hope that it happens and works. With Gaza, Hamas has refused to surrender and stop all hostilities.