Why does the US Support Israel?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Let me just add to the above that even though Israel has the full right to defend itself, I strongly believe that Netanyahu and his Likud coalition have gone too far. There may be a ceasefire with Hezbollah in the works, and I certainly hope that it happens and works. With Gaza, Hamas has refused to surrender and stop all hostilities.

Does Palestine also have the full right to defend itself?

 

[metis]

Who started 10-7? Do actions like that have any consequences or should they just be ignored? If your village and family was under attack, what would you do? We saw what the U.S. and allies did after Pearl Harbor and 9-11.

If Hamas surrenders, this all stops. Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

Anyhow, fini.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So, if your people were repeatedly attacked, what would you do?

You could ask the same question to Palestinians.
But in any case, if I would retaliate, I'ld retaliate in proportion against the actual guilty instead of indiscriminate bombings and starving an entire population and etc.

Unless you're Jewish.

No. Then still it has nothing to do with today.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Who started 10-7?

You ask this question as if that happened in vacuum, out of nowhere.

Not that I would defend such terrorist attacks - far from it.
But let's not pretend as if there was nothing leading up to that and no reason at all for Palestinians to have resentment to Israel.

Do actions like that have any consequences or should they just be ignored?

They certainly shouldn't be ignored. But consequences should be in proportion and the target should be the actual guilty.

If your village and family was under attack, what would you do?

If one guy from the next block does a brutal attack on my home, would it be fair of me to then lay waste to that entire block, which also houses plenty of people who had nothing to do with it?

If Hamas surrenders, this all stops.

That's very naive.

Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

It's obviously not true.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There are more Jews in the USA than there atr in Israel.
They hold many positions of power and wealth, especially in the financial sector and senatorial classes and old money classes. Their influence on America is far greater than their numbers suggest.
America was the leading supporter of the re-establishment of the State of Israel and Zionism.

This predates the rise of militant Islam in the middle east and the loss of control of the oil states by western powers.
Israel has played the antiemetic sympathy card at every turn.

It is only in the recent few months of Israeli excesses, that it has even been possible to criticise Israel publicly with out excessive backlash.

 

[metis]

No. Then still it has nothing to do with today.

You don't understand.

I'ld retaliate in proportion against the actual guilty instead of indiscriminate bombings

Who says their "indiscriminate"?

Obviously, you don't understand the situation as Hamas imbeds into the general population, including the more than 200 miles of tunnels.

fini

 

[metis]

If Hamas surrenders, this all stops. Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

That's very naive.

I'm a student of the Holocaust, taught a unit on it in my poli sci course, and studied in Israel in 1991 and 1998. I follow such events very closely, so I don't think I'm that naive.

^^ignore list^^

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You don't understand.

And you're not going to explain it to me, right?

Who says their "indiscriminate"?

The UN, for one

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

Obviously, you don't understand the situation as Hamas imbeds into the general population, including the more than 200 miles of tunnels.

Ow, yeah, right, I wasn't aware of that at all.
That makes it ok then.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm a student of the Holocaust, taught a unit on it in my poli sci course, and studied in Israel in 1991 and 1998. I follow such events very closely, so I don't think I'm that naive.

Again with the holocaust card.
So sad.

Meanwhile, off course, ignoring every point made in the post you respond to and cutting them all out of the post.
Good job!

^^ignore list^^

Uhu.

The equivalent of pigeon chess.

Gratz on the "victory"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is only in the recent few months of Israeli excesses, that it has even been possible to criticise Israel publicly with out excessive backlash.

You should look up how many resolutions against Israel's behavior have been issued in the UN / security council.
All of them vetoed by the US.

I think Israel actually has a record number of resolutions against it.
None could ever be enforced however, because they all get vetoed by the US by default.

 

[BrokenBread]

From Hamen, to Hitler, to exploding pagers , History along with common sense should educate anyone with two brain cells that is better to be a friend to those God calls a Chosen people than it is to attack them.

Gen 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

 

[wellwisher]

Interesting, but an hour long.
It includes a clip of Biden as a senator stating that if Israel didn't exist, that the US would have to invent it.

Why? Because of our economy. Israel is necessary to have some critical control over oil in the region and trade is the basic justification given.
Claiming that Israel is a tool of the US. Previously the US had relations with Iran and Saudi Arabia. After the Iranian revolution, the US saw the support of Israel key to protecting its interests in the middle east.

Do you agree with this and does it justify the current situation.

Israel and the USA are connected by the Bible; Judeo-Christian or Old and New Testament. The USA formed as a Christian Country, that brought together settlers from the Christian Counties of Europe.; England, France, Spain, Italy, Dutch, Germany, etc. They formed a new nation based on the principle that all men were created equal; Democracy instead of a Monarchy.

This also has to do with the twelve tribes of Israel, who were scattered in the Old Testament, and the promise that these tribes would, some day, be gathered together, leading to the most advanced civilization; free market constitutional republic.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Israel and the USA are connected by the Bible; Judeo-Christian or Old and New Testament. The USA formed as a Christian Country, that brought together settlers from the Christian Counties of Europe.; England, France, Spain, Italy, Dutch, Germany, etc. They formed a new nation based on the principle that all men were created equal; Democracy instead of a Monarchy.

This also has to do with the twelve tribes of Israel, who were scattered in the Old Testament, and the promise that these tribes would, some day, be gathered together, leading to the most advanced civilization; free market constitutional republic.

The first newcomers to the Americas came as disparate colonies and religious settleme
nts.they did not form a nation. Over time they grouped and formed the various countries in north and south America. Firstly as colonies of the various European countries, mainly England, France, Spain and Portugal. After various wars of independence they became Sovereign nations.
What is today the USA formed itself out of numerous of the previous colonies, firstly as independent states and territories, and later, state by state into the USA we see today.
That early fragmentation of early independent states is, why The USA such a fragmented structure and laws today.
It never was set up a a Christian country, nor as a capitalist country, nor were all men equal.
Women had few rights and slaves were neither free nor equal. Ownership was enforced by power and the gun.
This inequality is reflected in the defacto inequality we see throughout The USA today.
America only pays lip service to thee rights of equality, freedoms and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[BrokenBread]

The first newcomers to the Americas came as disparate colonies and religious settleme
nts.they did not form a nation. Over time they grouped and formed the various countries in north and south America. Firstly as colonies of the various European countries, mainly England, France, Spain and Portugal. After various wars of independence they became Sovereign nations.
What is today the USA formed itself out of numerous of the previous colonies, firstly as independent states and territories, and later, state by state into the USA we see today.
That early fragmentation of early independent states is, why The USA such a fragmented structure and laws today.
It never was set up a a Christian country, nor as a capitalist country, nor were all men equal.
Women had few rights and slaves were neither free nor equal. Ownership was enforced by power and the gun.
This inequality is reflected in the defacto inequality we see throughout The USA today.
America only pays lip service to thee rights of equality, freedoms and the pursuit of happiness.

So then if the Islamic Terrorists could only understand what you say here then they would literally love us instead of seeing us as the "GREAT SATAN " ?
The Islamic Terrorists likewise loving enforcement by the power of the gun , with inequality , women having very limited rights, hating LGBTQ, as well ?
Why don't the Islamic Terrorists know how much we are like brothers to them in our beliefs ?
I don't understand.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So then if the Islamic Terrorists could only understand what you say here then they would literally love us instead of seeing us as the "GREAT SATAN " ?
The Islamic Terrorists likewise loving enforcement by the power of the gun , with inequality , women having very limited rights, hating LGBTQ, as well ?
Why don't the Islamic Terrorists know how much we are like brothers to them in our beliefs ?
I don't understand.

The islamic countries have been held under the thumb of the west since the otterman empire was defeated. You can hardly blame them for fighting back.
Now the west is in retreat and losing power to the east, you can expect the middle east to come through the middle to regain lost ground.
The USA has not yet recognised that they are on the way down, it will come as something of a shock soon enough.

 

[BrokenBread]

The islamic countries have been held under the thumb of the west since the otterman empire was defeated. You can hardly blame them for fighting back.
Now the west is in retreat and losing power to the east, you can expect the middle east to come through the middle to regain lost ground.
The USA has not yet recognised that they are on the way down, it will come as something of a shock soon enough.

But if by being "on the way down ", you mean a nation of minority very rich & majority in poverty with nothing in the middle, as the Islamic nations are then yes we are well on our way.
But if that is their only point of contention with us, and the do recognize our good points of loving slavery , inequality , women being chattel , hating jews, hating all LGBTQ it just seems to me they would be happy with the dramatic progress we are making in resembling the Islamic model .
They must have seem this past years huge upsurge in the "River To The Sea " Jew hating movement breaking out all over our country .
How could they not be impressed ?
Why attack when we are well on our way to being just like them ?
I still don't understand .