Why does trump deserve a chance when Obama wasn't given one?

[Akivah]

Obama wasn't given a chance, why does Trump deserve one? Republican representatives said making him a 1 term President was there number 1 job. Nothing but obstructionism during his 8 years. Rw media calling him a secret Muslim, the birther movement and dozens of other fake attacks.

Why does Trump deserve better?

Because your side is better than the obstructionist Republicans and you won't stoop to their tactics.

 

[metis]

Because your side is better than the obstructionist Republicans and you won't stoop to their tactics.

I hope.

 

[BSM1]

And who did I supposedly support, or did you forget?

Anybody but Trump?

 

[Reggie Miller]

Relax, everybody. Republicans are in charge now. Congress will keep Trump in check.

 

[habiru]

Obama wasn't given a chance, why does Trump deserve one? Republican representatives said making him a 1 term President was there number 1 job. Nothing but obstructionism during his 8 years. Rw media calling him a secret Muslim, the birther movement and dozens of other fake attacks.

Why does Trump deserve better?

I believes that two terms in office proves that he was given a chance. But look at the fruits of his labor.

 

[Mister Emu]

it was your response that it was Obama who basically killed the party

I said Obama drove it into the ground. Which he did. Country-wide democrats are reeling; federally his leadership turned a super majority in congress into a minority. State level legislatures and governorships are way down.

Obama's approval rating would have made him president for the 3rd term had he been able to run.

Obama's personal popularity didn't and doesn't translate to popularity for his endeavors or trickle down to the rest of the party.

One is that every single poll taken had Bernie being much more popular that Trump, so even if one ignores one or two polls, there are others.

Those are the same polls that had Hillary in a landslide winning, couldn't lose position.

The polls taken just prior to the election failed in large part because of a sudden shift that took place

That is speculation, another speculation is that people just didn't answer the pollsters with the way they actually felt. The "shy tory" phenomenon.

As far as "socialized aid" is concerned, overwhelmingly the American public supports

There is a difference between supporting a program and wanting to utilize it. Again, given the choice between socialist aid and work, they'll choose jobs. There was only one candidate in the field that said he would fight tooth and nail for jobs, that he didn't care how much it hurt the people at the top, corporations, or other countries; manufacturing was coming back. That candidate will be president on Jan. 20.

 

[metis]

Anybody but Trump?

Not entirely, but getting closer.

 

[metis]

I said Obama drove it into the ground. Which he did.

I'm gonna be very brief as I have a lot to do this morning.

To the above, false as has been demonstrated when one takes the issues on point-by-point. Even the ACA now has a greater approval than disapproval rating.

Obama's personal popularity didn't and doesn't translate to popularity for his endeavors or trickle down to the rest of the party.

Obama wasn't running for office, so the primary focus wasn't on him.

Those are the same polls that had Hillary in a landslide winning, couldn't lose position.

You're missing the point as we've seen this happen before, such as with Reagan's win in 1980. With both Trump and Hillary being so unpopular, people often can switch at the last minute, sometimes based on nothing more than an emotional response to much of nothing.

That is speculation, another speculation is that people just didn't answer the pollsters with the way they actually felt. The "shy tory" phenomenon.

That's illogical in terms of the sudden shift because the above would be true even earlier on.

There was only one candidate in the field that said he would fight tooth and nail for jobs, that he didn't care how much it hurt the people at the top, corporations, or other countries; manufacturing was coming back

All the candidates promised this, including those in the primaries.

That candidate will be president on Jan. 20.

"To cooperate with evil is evil"-- Gandhi.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Obama wasn't given a chance

Sure he was. He was duly elected, he had his chance and he blew it.

 

[BSM1]

Sure he was. He was duly elected, he had his chance and he blew it.

The problem is that evidently in his own mind (and in the minds of the generally mislead) he has walked across the water without getting his feet wet. Reality is a tricky devil.

 

[metis]

Reality is a tricky devil.

You should try it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I said Obama drove it into the ground. Which he did. Country-wide democrats are reeling; federally his leadership turned a super majority in congress into a minority. State level legislatures and governorships are way down.


Obama's personal popularity didn't and doesn't translate to popularity for his endeavors or trickle down to the rest of the party.


Those are the same polls that had Hillary in a landslide winning, couldn't lose position.


That is speculation, another speculation is that people just didn't answer the pollsters with the way they actually felt. The "shy tory" phenomenon.


There is a difference between supporting a program and wanting to utilize it. Again, given the choice between socialist aid and work, they'll choose jobs. There was only one candidate in the field that said he would fight tooth and nail for jobs, that he didn't care how much it hurt the people at the top, corporations, or other countries; manufacturing was coming back. That candidate will be president on Jan. 20.

Then he put all those people at the top in positions of power.

 

[sun rise]

donny deserves nothing. They think that they can be bullies and throw temper tantrums but get upset when Democrats say no. Our tactics to slow down and stop whatever they do should be better than theirs, but they deserve no slack of any kind. donny lies all the time, attacks outstanding Americans, refuses to release his tax returns etc while the orcs in congress are getting ready to destroy my retirement, balloon the deficit, throw the poor under the bus while giving the rich ever more money. The answer to that is #RESIST.

 

[Mister Emu]

To the above, false as has been demonstrated when one takes the issues on point-by-point.

That just isn't reality. Democrats have lost the presidency, the majority in the house and in the senate, lost over a thousand seats in state legislatures leading to the loss of several state congresses, and double digit governorships. That is what into the dirt looks like.

That's illogical in terms of the sudden shift because the above would be true even earlier on.

In terms of an assumed sudden shift. Which, again, is speculation.

 

[metis]

That just isn't reality. Democrats have lost the presidency, the majority in the house and in the senate, lost over a thousand seats in state legislatures leading to the loss of several state congresses, and double digit governorships. That is what into the dirt looks like.

But to blame that all or even mostly on Obama is nonsensical, based on surveys taken. Also, just a reminder that the Republicans in Congress have a much lower approval rating than Obama.

In terms of an assumed sudden shift. Which, again, is speculation.

It's all speculation.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Also, just a reminder that the Republicans in Congress have a much lower approval rating than Obama.

Well, the Republicans did get reelected and more Republicans beat out Democrats while Obama's presidential candidate got beat, too.

You were saying?

 

[metis]

Well, the Republicans did get reelected and more Republicans beat out Democrats while Obama's presidential candidate got beat, too.

You were saying?

People don't vote for who's leaving, and endorsements only go so far.

By the way, I just want to remind you that I did not vote for the Groper-In-Chief who bragged that he doesn't need God's forgiveness. Now would you say something like that?

 

[Reggie Miller]

People don't vote for who's leaving, and endorsements only go so far.

By the way, I just want to remind you that I did not vote for the Groper-In-Chief who bragged that he doesn't need God's forgiveness. Now would you say something like that?

Deflecting. What I think about that has nothing to do with the present discussion.

 

[Akivah]

...while the orcs in congress are getting ready to destroy my retirement, balloon the deficit, throw the poor under the bus while giving the rich ever more money. The answer to that is #RESIST.

None of that has happened yet, so your resistance is based on 100% speculation. What comes out of Congress is ALWAYS a compromise of some sort. No president is a dictator. How about waiting to see what the finalized changes actually look like before protesting?

 

[Akivah]

Well, the Republicans did get reelected and more Republicans beat out Democrats while Obama's presidential candidate got beat, too.

You were saying?

If this (DC Riots) is how Democrats behave when they lose an election, then maybe it would be better if they didn't participate.