GiantHouseKey
Well-Known Member
Greetings
Firstly, I do not believe in God, so I also do not believe he created man, or suffering, or evil, or pain. This basically completes my position on this matter
But for those of you who do believe in an all-loving God and 'The problem of evil', the notion that there is a 'problem' with evil is assumed. Is there indeed a problem with suffering? If I believed that God really was all-loving, the first question I was ask myself is what is love, and what is suffering?. Sometimes things are done through love that can ultimately cause pain for a finite time. If God was all-knowing and all-powerful, he could stop unwanted (From the point of view of God) pain and suffering.
To me this would bring up 2 questions:
1) What is love? And does all-loving mean 'protecting mankind from all stupidity and ignorance for all acts regardless of their consequences)
2) Are suffering and evil the same thing? That is, if suffering is neutral (as I believe it is) then God may use suffering to teach or to warn? And if so why? The ancient mayans, as well as many other ancient belief systems, believed that impersonal suffering was a way of their God/Gods/Goddesses punishing them for the wrong they had done.
And the above only deals with the issue of impersonal suffering (As aforementioned, Tsunamis, Hurricanes, Viruses and Disease etc.), which still leaves the problem of personal suffering (Caused by man, to man). Why would a Theistic God let this suffering happen? Is it for a similar reason to impersonal suffering? Would an all-loving God create murderers if he said 'Thou shalt not murder'? Does this mean that the traits of the murderer are not created at birth, which would in turn suggest that man developed traits by himself, separate to the design of God. Perhaps God allows free will, or perhaps God wants punish, or teach us.
Let it be known that I do not believe in a personal God, so my justification is that evil does not exist and that pain and suffering are caused through the neutral actions of the impersonal universe (impersonal).
GhK.
Firstly, I do not believe in God, so I also do not believe he created man, or suffering, or evil, or pain. This basically completes my position on this matter
But for those of you who do believe in an all-loving God and 'The problem of evil', the notion that there is a 'problem' with evil is assumed. Is there indeed a problem with suffering? If I believed that God really was all-loving, the first question I was ask myself is what is love, and what is suffering?. Sometimes things are done through love that can ultimately cause pain for a finite time. If God was all-knowing and all-powerful, he could stop unwanted (From the point of view of God) pain and suffering.
To me this would bring up 2 questions:
1) What is love? And does all-loving mean 'protecting mankind from all stupidity and ignorance for all acts regardless of their consequences)
2) Are suffering and evil the same thing? That is, if suffering is neutral (as I believe it is) then God may use suffering to teach or to warn? And if so why? The ancient mayans, as well as many other ancient belief systems, believed that impersonal suffering was a way of their God/Gods/Goddesses punishing them for the wrong they had done.
And the above only deals with the issue of impersonal suffering (As aforementioned, Tsunamis, Hurricanes, Viruses and Disease etc.), which still leaves the problem of personal suffering (Caused by man, to man). Why would a Theistic God let this suffering happen? Is it for a similar reason to impersonal suffering? Would an all-loving God create murderers if he said 'Thou shalt not murder'? Does this mean that the traits of the murderer are not created at birth, which would in turn suggest that man developed traits by himself, separate to the design of God. Perhaps God allows free will, or perhaps God wants punish, or teach us.
Let it be known that I do not believe in a personal God, so my justification is that evil does not exist and that pain and suffering are caused through the neutral actions of the impersonal universe (impersonal).
GhK.