scott777
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I absolutely agree. But that's what the bible says. My conclusion is that God cannot be all knowing and all-powerful. But it seems most people don't agree.
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Why doesn't God stop evil?
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Faithofchristian
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I wouldn't take away from God is all powerful. For God is all powerful.
God is all knowing, But there are times that God may choose not to know beforehand what is to happen.
There are many times in the Bible, Scriptures, that God chosen not to know beforehand what was to happen. As I have given reference to in the Bible.
Why would God go ahead and create Satan, knowing that Satan was going to become God's worst number one adversary enemy of God's.
Which does not make any common sense at all.
That's like you saying, I have this enemy, I know he wants to destroy me, but why are you hanging around him, knowing that he wants to destroy you.
Where's the logic in that at.
If I knew a person wants to destroy me, I surely wouldn't want to be around them.
But be on my guard knowing they want to destroy me.
Therefore why would God create Satan, knowing that Satan will be his number one worst adversary.
Therefore God did not know that Satan was Lawlessness, Till lawlessness was found in Satan.
Everyone has this thing, just because God is all knowing, That God can not choose not to know beforehand what is to happen.
God has chosen many times throughout the Bible not to know beforehand what was to happen.
scott777
Member
I couldn't really dispute any of this - why God does things. Except for God choosing not to know some things, while still being all-knowing. These are not reconcilable statements. You cannot claim that 1+1=2 and 1+1=3.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
If I may say, you know there is no where in the Bible that is Written that God is all knowing.
This is man's teachings.
But there are many things written that shows God did not know things beforehand about things.
God speaking about Satan in the book of Ezekiel 28:15--"You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, till iniquity was found in you"
Note the word ( iniquity ) which means Lawlessness.
Note also the word ( Till ) This means that God did not know that Satan was Lawlessness,
( Till ) Lawlessness was found in Satan.
@Faithofchristian A regretful, forgetful being, that didn't know things were going to happen sounds no different to a imperfect human. Whatever you're worshipping is not God. You make Satan sound like he has some power, when in fact ALL he can do is whisper in the hearts and minds of mortals.
The only positive you have for limiting GOD's knowledge is it gives you a way out of disasters and evil here on Earth. Hey nothing to do with God, he didn't know that was going to happen etc.
The only positive you have for limiting GOD's knowledge is it gives you a way out of disasters and evil here on Earth. Hey nothing to do with God, he didn't know that was going to happen etc.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
If to what you say, that God is all knowing. Then Why would God create Satan knowing, that Satan would be his number one enemy.
Why would God create Satan knowing that Satan would go about to destroy everything that Almighty God created.
So if you had a friend, knowing that they want to destroy you,
You would treat them like a brother, knowing they want to destroy you.
You would let them in your house
Knowing they are there to destroy you.
Why do you treat the Almighty God like he's foolishness. To think He would create a satan, knowing that Satan wants to destroy everything that Almighty God created.
The final Prophet pbuh explained to us, GOD is always Creating. For GOD, this Universe and everything within it is like having your first Lego playset when you're 3 yrs old, looks amazing but is pretty basic and straight forward.
When you understand that, then you should know GOD created the Jinn race who were custodians of the Earth before us, there are many powerful Jinn and one amongst them is Satan, (Iblis) He used His Power, Free Will and knowledge to worship GOD constantly, so much so that he was permitted to be part of the Heavenly Counsel.
GOD knew mankind would be created, and that all would appreciate His creation except Satan. He knew he would become our enemy until the day of Judgement. Satan is powerless and can only encourage us to worship others besides God, to become greedy and not care about our fellow human, to use chemicals on foods that will inevitably cause harm to our bodies, to create gambling, porn, and other vices to make our hearts harden towards the remembrance of God, to make us mess around with His creation, cloning etc and to ultimately even deny of His existence. All these things and more, you can see evident today, but even so Billions of people still hold fast to the belief in GOD and will always do so.
So to recap, Satan was created to test us. Do we follow him, or do we learn the lesson from Adam and eve pbut, they made a mistake and repented, they turned back to God in sincerity and were forgiven, whereas Satan was too proud and is living on borrowed time before the inevitable comes to pass.
Most of the things wrong with the World are because of Man. Natural disasters are part and parcel of life, we should view them as tests and work together to overcome them. Some things about GOD we may never fully understand and to constantly think about them has driven religious philosophers to lose their faith.
Salam
Why not? That does not necessarily impinge on our freedom.
After all we are perfectly free to do things that we do not usually so, because they naturally disgust us. Like eating pigs excrements, for instance.
Am I soul-less robot because I do not feel any appetite for pigs excrements, even if I am starving?
So, why not a natural disgust for evil too, while keeping the perfect freedom to perform it? Same for sin, if it is really so hateful, of course.
Ciao
- viole
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Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
That's your opinion of the final Prophet
The final Prophet was John the Baptist.
I can see you have no idea about the first earth age.
The first earth age consist of the dinosaurs and many other animals and plant life.
Unto which back at this time, we were all in spirit and not of flesh and blood.
Flesh and blood of mankind came by male and female.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
There is no more to be created. Everything was done when God created the heaven and the earth.
The heaven consist of the whole universe.
Satan was the only covering Cherub that covered the Mercy Seat that was before the Throne of God and back at this time Satan's name was Lucifer.
God did not know that he would create mankind, only after Satan's rebellion then it came to God to create man after his likeness after his image.
Satan's power was not limited, Satan still had all his power, We know this by the book of Job, Satan had control over the Weather. Unto which when Satan comes into this world in the last day, Satan will have power to call fire to come down from heaven.
Revelation 13:13--"And he ( Satan) does great wonders, so that he ( Satan ) makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men"
This is what Almighty God given to John to write down in the Holy Scriptures.
For every Evil in the world, Yes Satan is behind it. That's for sure. and it will continue to the last day.
When Satan himself will come to be here on earth, to deceive the world into believing that he is Almighty God. And many people will be deceived to believe Satan is the Almighty God.
According to what the Almighty God has given in the Holy Scriptures, Satan will come down there at Jerusalem and walk into the temple of God showing himself that he is the Almighty God.and many people over in those Countries around Jerusalem will believe he is the Almighty God and worship Satan believing Satan is the Almighty God.
This shows that Satan has the power to deceive by deception People to believe he is the Almighty God.
The Natural disasters that we see coming upon the world were all given by Christ Jesus to be witnesses to the last day, and the Natural disasters will continual to the last day, when Satan comes into this world make the Natural disasters happen more to deceive people to believe that he is the Almighty God.
Christ Jesus told all about these Natural disasters in book of Matthew and book of Mark 13:8--"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be Famines and trouble, These are the beginnings of sorrows"
These things shall continue to the last day.
And Satan will take advantage of these Natural disasters to get people to worship him, to believe that he is Almighty God.
Then when the Evil of mankind has come to it's fullness then Christ Jesus returns to destroy all those who are found in Worshipping Satan and destroy Satan and his angels in the Lake that burns with fire.
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I agree. A person doesn't need religion to hate evil.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that means yo udon't know Jehovah at all.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Evidently not yours.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you misunderstand what He is saying.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe then that means you have invented your own imaginative version.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
I believe I understand exactly what the verse is saying. I think you're having trouble accepting the true meaning of the passage.
As we all do.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I am glad to hear it but as Paul said "i do the things I hate."
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you are incorrect. For one thing you are ignoring all the other scriptures in order to come up with your erroneous interpretation but I have considered the whole counsel of God. Context makes a difference.
I believe i do not all my interpretations are from God.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Silverscale derg
Active Member
My gods don't want to for they are truly of peace, the "god" of war (the human god for you "normal" people) is a god of hate, discrimination, and oppression. My gods let nature play out and considering the rate humankind is going they're bound to blow themselves up sooner or later and when that day comes they will come back to earth and reclaim the land they were kicked off of by humans. If anything "god" is evil. He in the bible flooded the world killing millions but he didn't admit fault yet when someone happens to be prideful (like lucifer) they get called evil and the devil but looking at it who truly is the evil one? Is it the one who killed millions or the one who killed maybe 5 in protest and was prideful? Not to name any names...just tell me. I'm sure any sane person would say the first one is evil right? Yes I admit dragonkind wanted to eat the world to rid humans being that they are an unnatural pest but we hardly ate humans. One for each of us because humans taste revolting so that wouldn't work yet we did admit fault but we're still called monsters.