Why doesn't Islam accept Bahai?

[InvestigateTruth]

In Islam the prophets like Abraham, Noah or Solomon ... are not considered as "minor" prophets. Also, David have the Psalms (Zabour).

As Muhammad said there will be no more prophets after him, i don't understand your interpretation of that hadith.

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I remember also that i've read hadiths about false prophets who will come after him, the Prophet never said someone else will come -again exept the coming of Jesus who was said many times by the Prophet (saw) :


Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "My similitude in comparison with the other prophets before me, is that of a man who has built a house nicely and beautifully, except for a place of one brick in a corner. The people go about it and wonder at its beauty, but say: 'Would that this brick be put in its place!' So I am that brick, and I am the last of the Prophets."

(735) 56. Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions from Sahih Al-Bukhari translated by M. Muhsin Khan - Hadith (Hadis) Books

Narrated Sad: Allah's Apostle set out for Tabuk. appointing 'Ali as his deputy (in Medina). 'Ali said, "Do you want to leave me with the children and women?" The Prophet said, "Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses? But there will be no prophet after me."

(700) 59. Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi) from Sahih Al-Bukhari translated by M. Muhsin Khan - Hadith (Hadis) Books

I don't think its very hard to understand these Hadithes. Let's look at them without any prejudging to see what the Prophet was talking about.

Some of these Hadithes deal with successorship within Islamic dispensation. That is the reason Muhammad is giving the example of Prophets within the dispensation of Moses (Prophets of Bani Isreal) in comparison with His own dispensation.

Another Hadith states: Prophet said: "If my son Abraham was alive, he would have been a Nabi (i.e. He would have become a Nabi after Me.).

This Hadith also deals with successorship after Muhammad in Islam, not for future Revelations.

The other Hadith that talks about a House that was completed is a reference to the creation of human civilization by successive revelations, starting from Adam and Ending with Muhammad. That is the first creation of humanity. Creation in terms of spirituality and guidance, because in Holy Books a revelation creates a new human.
But the creation of God is never-ending. He says:

“Are We wearied out with the first creation? Yet are they in doubt with regard to a new creation!” Quran 50:15
So, when God created a House or Building, can He not create a city around it? Can we say there is a limit in creation of God?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I remember also that i've read hadiths about false prophets who will come after him, the Prophet never said someone else will come -again exept the coming of Jesus who was said many times by the Prophet (saw)

Well, in Bible also warns of false prophets, but it doesn't mean no true prophets come.
Also in addition to Jesus another Messenger Promised to Muslims is Mahdi. Although He is given the title Imam, or Khalif, that doesn't mean He cannot be a Messenger. We know according to Islam, Abraham was Messenger, a Prophet and a Khalif. In fact there are Hadithes that Mahdi is similar to 4 Prophets and He comes with a new Book.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

there is no Prophet after Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him, he was the final and last Prophet, Islam is perfect religion, there is no need for any new religion.

Dividing the Ummah (community) into sects is even likened to joining partners with God (shirk), as each sect becomes enamored with its own teachings, and a slave to its own doctrine. God tells us:

"Turn ye back in repentance to Him, and fear Him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join gods with Allah,- Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!" - Qur'an 30:31-32

How about the political (non-sectarian) disunity and hatred among nations calling themselves Muslim by name, yet because of greed and love for power and wealth, have fought amongst themselves causing wars and bloodshed?:

"Never should a believer kill a believer..."
- Qur'an 4:92

"If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
- Qur'an 4:93

So, can we say today that as a nation, the Muslim Ummah, has continued to adhere to the laws of God, remaining worthy of the honor of being the best of nations?

Narrated Sahl bin Sad:

The Prophet said, "Verily! 70,000 or 700,000 of my followers will enter Paradise altogether; so that the first and the last amongst them will enter at the same time, and their faces will be glittering like the bright full moon."
- Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 470

Prophet Muhammad said:

"...I hope that you would constitute half of the inhabitants of Paradise and I shall explain to you its (reason). The believers among the unbelievers would not be more than a white hair on (the body of a) black ox or a black hair on (the body of a) white ox."
- Sahih Muslim 1.427

"The Apostle of God said: `There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur'an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it. The mosques will be full of people but they will be empty of right guidance. The religious leaders (Fuqaha) of that day will be the most evil religious leaders under the heavens; sedition and dissension will go out from them and to them will it return.'"
- Ibn Babuya, Thawab ul-A'mal
- Also, in Al-Bihar, by Al-Majlisi, Vol 13, Page 155
- Also, in Kanz Al-amal #766

"My people will be divided into 73 sects ... Everyone will go to hell, except one ... the religion which is professed by me and my companions."
(Mishkat Vol. I Chapter 6:2)

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (PBUH) said: "The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects."
- Kitabul Sunna , Sunan Abu-Dawud (partial collection)[Book 40, Number 4579]


Will there be reformers from within the Ummah who will bring back the lost glory, unite the people, and regain the privilege of being the best of nations? God tells us in His Holy Book:

"If ye turn back (from the Path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you!"
- Qur'an 47:38


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[InvestigateTruth]

Because in every scripture that God sends us, God tells about the next messenger to come....

I don't think this is literally true. Look at Jewish Scriptures, it promises coming of Messiah, but it never explicitly says Messiah will be a Prophet. Look at Christian Bible, It never explicitly talks about coming of any Prophet such as Muhammad.

 

[FearGod]

Well, in Bible also warns of false prophets, but it doesn't mean no true prophets come.
Also in addition to Jesus another Messenger Promised to Muslims is Mahdi. Although He is given the title Imam, or Khalif, that doesn't mean He cannot be a Messenger. We know according to Islam, Abraham was Messenger, a Prophet and a Khalif. In fact there are Hadithes that Mahdi is similar to 4 Prophets and He comes with a new Book.

Islam means submission to God,so what Bahai means,follower of Bahaullah.
Do you think it sounds good to be Mohamadism than to be a muslim.

God's religion is Islam which means to surrender and submit to him,so why God has to change the name of religion and instead of being submitters to him they have to be followers of Bahaullah.

 

[FearGod]

Dividing the Ummah (community) into sects is even likened to joining partners with God (shirk), as each sect becomes enamored with its own teachings, and a slave to its own doctrine. God tells us:

"Turn ye back in repentance to Him, and fear Him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join gods with Allah,- Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!" - Qur'an 30:31-32

How about the political (non-sectarian) disunity and hatred among nations calling themselves Muslim by name, yet because of greed and love for power and wealth, have fought amongst themselves causing wars and bloodshed?:

"Never should a believer kill a believer..."
- Qur'an 4:92

"If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
- Qur'an 4:93

So, can we say today that as a nation, the Muslim Ummah, has continued to adhere to the laws of God, remaining worthy of the honor of being the best of nations?

Narrated Sahl bin Sad:

The Prophet said, "Verily! 70,000 or 700,000 of my followers will enter Paradise altogether; so that the first and the last amongst them will enter at the same time, and their faces will be glittering like the bright full moon."
- Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 470

Prophet Muhammad said:

"...I hope that you would constitute half of the inhabitants of Paradise and I shall explain to you its (reason). The believers among the unbelievers would not be more than a white hair on (the body of a) black ox or a black hair on (the body of a) white ox."
- Sahih Muslim 1.427

"The Apostle of God said: `There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur'an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it. The mosques will be full of people but they will be empty of right guidance. The religious leaders (Fuqaha) of that day will be the most evil religious leaders under the heavens; sedition and dissension will go out from them and to them will it return.'"
- Ibn Babuya, Thawab ul-A'mal
- Also, in Al-Bihar, by Al-Majlisi, Vol 13, Page 155
- Also, in Kanz Al-amal #766

"My people will be divided into 73 sects ... Everyone will go to hell, except one ... the religion which is professed by me and my companions."
(Mishkat Vol. I Chapter 6:2)

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (PBUH) said: "The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects."
- Kitabul Sunna , Sunan Abu-Dawud (partial collection)[Book 40, Number 4579]


Will there be reformers from within the Ummah who will bring back the lost glory, unite the people, and regain the privilege of being the best of nations? God tells us in His Holy Book:

"If ye turn back (from the Path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you!"
- Qur'an 47:38


Best Nation

And Bahaullah solved all these issues.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Islam means submission to God,so what Bahai means,follower of Bahaullah.
Do you think it sounds good to be Mohamadism than to be a muslim.

God's religion is Islam which means to surrender and submit to him,so why God has to change the name of religion and instead of being submitters to him they have to be followers of Bahaullah.

Islam means submission to will of God by 'action' and not just by keeping a name! The name of the Religion of the followers of Moses, and Jesus was not Islam. However Quran calls them Muslim, because in their action they submitted to Will of God. In this Age, the will of God is to change the name of His religion to Baha'i, because it is a new covenant with new Book of Laws. I don't see how a true submitter to God does not obey Him and have problem with what God does.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

And Bahaullah solved all these issues.

I noticed that Muslims believe that when Mahdi and Christ come, they will unite the Muslims. However there is nothing in Quran or Authentic Hadithes that this will happen in their life-time. Baha'u'llah brought a new Revelation from God that gradually unite all the people of the World. In fact Baha'i Faith was never divided into sects. There has been attempts to create sects, but it failed every time, as the numbers never grew.

 

[FearGod]

Islam means submission to will of God by 'action' and not just by keeping a name! The name of the Religion of the followers of Moses, and Jesus was not Islam. However Quran calls them Muslim, because in their action they submitted to Will of God. In this Age, the will of God is to change the name of His religion to Baha'i, because it is a new covenant with new Book of Laws. I don't see how a true submitter to God does not obey Him and have problem with what God does.

So according to your understanding God change the right name for religion,today Juda,tomorrow christ,next islam,then Bahaullah,then Goerge,then Bush,then Senderallah and so on.:sarcastic

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So according to your understanding God change the right name for religion,today Juda,tomorrow christ,next islam,then Bahaullah,then Goerge,then Bush,then Senderallah and so on.:sarcastic

According to my understanding God does whatever He wills. To none is given the right to question His authority and Wisdom. Why all the Prophets before Muhammad had prayed toward Jerusalem as Qiblah, but When Muhammad came for sometime He prayed toward the same Qiblah, but later He changed the Qiblah again? Because God does what He wills....and many times He does it to 'Test' true submitters from those who only claim to be Submitters.

 

[FearGod]

I noticed that Muslims believe that when Mahdi and Christ come, they will unite the Muslims. However there is nothing in Quran or Authentic Hadithes that this will happen in their life-time. Baha'u'llah brought a new Revelation from God that gradually unite all the people of the World. In fact Baha'i Faith was never divided into sects. There has been attempts to create sects, but it failed every time, as the numbers never grew.

There will be never a nation called Bahai,it never and will never united the world,but Jesus pbuh will rule the world and his return will be to unite the world,Jesus won't come to say i am a follower of Bahaullah but he'll say i am God's servant and a submitter to him.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There will be never a nation called Bahai,it never and will never united the world,but Jesus pbuh will rule the world and his return will be to unite the world,Jesus won't come to say i am a follower of Bahaullah but he'll say i am God's servant and a submitter to him.

That's you opinion. There is nothing like this in Quran and authentic Hadithes. Baha'u'llah fulfilled ALL the prophecies related to Him.
Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage

Also, I encourage you to read this Book revealed by Baha'u'llah, He explains the Prophecies Himself:

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gems of Divine Mysteries (Javáhiru’l-Asrár)

 

[FearGod]

According to my understanding God does whatever He wills. To none is given the right to question His authority and Wisdom. Why all the Prophets before Muhammad had prayed toward Jerusalem as Qiblah, but When Muhammad came for sometime He prayed toward the same Qiblah, but later He changed the Qiblah again? Because God does what He wills....and many times He does it to 'Test' true submitters from those who only claim to be Submitters.

So if God wishs it can be one day Darwin,right

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So if God wishs it can be one day Darwin,right

No! But God does whatever He wills in the sense that He can ordain whatever He wishes:

"God grants firmness unto those who have attained to faith through the word that is unshakably true in the life of this world as well as in the life to come; but the wrongdoers He lets go astray: for God does whatever He wills." Quran 14:27

Question, can God change the name of the Religion?

 

[FearGod]

No! But God does whatever He wills in the sense that He can ordain whatever He wishes:

"God grants firmness unto those who have attained to faith through the word that is unshakably true in the life of this world as well as in the life to come; but the wrongdoers He lets go astray: for God does whatever He wills." Quran 14:27

Question, can God change the name of the Religion?

Why not Darwin,i mean if a messenger came his name Darwin then we became Darwinians,whats the problem with it.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Why not Darwin,i mean if a messenger came his name Darwin then we became Darwinians,whats the problem with it.

God can do that, though, so far we have seen Christians (massihioun). That means followers of Christ. That makes sense, because Christ means the 'anointed one'. Meaning one who God anointed as a guidance. Those who followed Him, became Christians. Baha'is are followers of Baha'u'llah. Quran has 99 names of God, however, according to Islamic Traditions, God has a hidden 100th name. That name was Baha, which means Glory. According to Bible Christ returns with the new Name of God, and He will write that Name on His followers. That Name is Baha and writing it on His followers means 'Baha'i'. The followers of God (glory). That makes sense. But Darwinians doesn't make sense....However God can do that, I don't see why not.

 

[FearGod]

God can do that, though, so far we have seen Christians (massihioun). That means followers of Christ. That makes sense, because Christ means the 'anointed one'. Meaning one who God anointed as a guidance. Those who followed Him, became Christians. Baha'is are followers of Baha'u'llah. Quran has 99 names of God, however, according to Islamic Traditions, God has a hidden 100th name. That name was Baha, which means Glory. According to Bible Christ returns with the new Name of God, and He will write that Name on His followers. That Name is Baha and writing it on His followers means 'Baha'i'. The followers of God (glory). That makes sense. But Darwinians doesn't make sense....However God can do that, I don't see why not.

Yes of course any name can work if god wishs,today Bahaullah,maybe tomorrow God wanted us to follow Darwin and next Obama,it make sense.:yes:

Can it be females,can god choose one day a female to be a messanger if he wishs,such as we can be followers of Marlyne or Sussie.

 

[Farrukh]

Hello Farrukh......

Islam is perfect religion....... but which branch of Islam?
Islamists do not agree with each other, they even kill each other.... no?
So which Islam is true Islam? Please?

I don't know what do you mean by Islamists, are you talking about terrorist organizations? According to Holy Quran, we are taught to call ourselves Muslims. I'm myself just a Muslim.

 

[Pastek]

Well, in Bible also warns of false prophets, but it doesn't mean no true prophets come.

The Bible taked about a new prophet that will come and that's what said the Quran:

7.157 Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel.

The Quran doesn't announce anybody exept Jesus and the Hadiths only announce Jesus and the Mahdi.
Even in the New Testament people were waiting for 3 persons : Elie (who was John the Baptist), the Messiah (Jesus) and the prophet .

John 1.25. Now the Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”

The prophet Muhammad said in many hadiths that there's no prophet between Jesus and him and after him he only said that Jesus and the Mahdi (who isn't called a prophet) will come.

Also in addition to Jesus another Messenger Promised to Muslims is Mahdi.
Although He is given the title Imam, or Khalif, that doesn't mean He cannot be a Messenger.

The Mahdi is a pious man, never he was called a "prophet/messenger" by Muhammad or his companions. He never said "an other prophet will come after me, it will be the Mahdi". We don't have a hadith like that.

We know according to Islam, Abraham was Messenger, a Prophet and a Khalif. In fact there are Hadithes that Mahdi is similar to 4 Prophets and He comes with a new Book.

Which Book ?

 

[oldbadger]

I don't know what do you mean by Islamists, are you talking about terrorist organizations? According to Holy Quran, we are taught to call ourselves Muslims. I'm myself just a Muslim.

Thankyou for your correction.

I thought an Islamist was a person who followed Islam.
OK. There are many Muslim groups, or sects.
Do you belong to a specific Muslim group. such as Shi'ite or Sunni, etc?