Statistics show this to be compete hogwash
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Why don’t you believe in God?
- Thread starter Jimmy
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Statistics show this to be compete hogwash
Arizona desert statistics?
American statistics of crime rates etc by state showing the bible belt states to be morally corrupt
Are we even talking about the same thing?It is an irrefutable fact: if a person does not fear God, when one of his interests is at stake, he is more likely to violate any moral principle (if any exists) than a person who fears God to avoid personal damage.
The materialist principle of survival of the fittest is based on achieving the end regardless of the consequences. Evidently this is the philosophy that most of the world's wealthy people have adopted, since they do not care about the damage they do to their workers or the planet, if their profits increase.
Offended with the obvious truth?
And what in the world is "the bible belt"???
Are we even talking about the same thing?
Yes, the my morality is better than your morality nonsense that is shown to be total bull by statical facts. Teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted infections, under age sex, sex outside marriage, addiction to porn, and general crime is higher in religious dominated states.
I am not questioning anyone's morality, so come back from where you're going ...
Whatever you're saying has nothing to do with the reasons of the crime, which is evidently not fearing God's justice.
Actually, the person who does not believe in God has no objection to disobeying the law if he believes it is necessary as long as he can avoid being discovered. A devout and God-fearing man considers it many times, even if he has to die for it. "Decency" is not what it used to be.
Whatever you're saying has nothing to do with the reasons of the crime, which is evidently not fearing God's justice.
Actually, the person who does not believe in God has no objection to disobeying the law if he believes it is necessary as long as he can avoid being discovered. A devout and God-fearing man considers it many times, even if he has to die for it. "Decency" is not what it used to be.
Oh please.
Once again there is no point in continuing when all you do is woffle for god
McBell
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McBell
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No True Scotsman to the rescue!
To be irrefutable, it must be supported by evidence of the highest quality.
Evidence that I'm not aware of.
So please lay it out for me.
The materialist principle that humans have evolved with particular moral tendencies demonstrated by experiment seems to have escaped you. We know that humans are born with a dislike of the one who harms, a liking of fairness and reciprocity, respect for authority, loyalty to the group, and a sense of self-worth through self-denial.
We also know that the rest of our morality, the 'proper' way to interact with people in your family, with friends, and with strangers, with people of the same and the opposite sex, with authority figures such as parents, teachers, doctors, police &c, the observation of milestones such as coming of age, pairing, birth and death, and so on, is largely learnt.
Yes, there are decent and there are nasty humans in the world. Have you read your bible, and noted that its God demands human sacrifices, massacres of surrendered populations, mass rape, murderous religious intolerance, the subordinate status of women, slavery according to rules (including, famously, how to sell your daughter)? Is that the morality you're urging, or do you have one closer to 21st century human nature as I've mentioned above?
I've set out demonstrable 'truths' above, so that in future you'll be aware of them and able to avoid simple-minded and uninformed statements.Offended with the obvious truth?
Trailblazer
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He said people who fear God. He did not say people who read the Bible.
Trailblazer
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Absolutely not.
Trailblazer
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God does no such things. The OT is pure unadulterated anthropomorphism.
He said people who fear God. He did not say people who read the Bible.
And i said the bible belt. Are you saying those people in these highly religious states don't fear god?
Trailblazer
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That is exactly what I am saying. Why would Christians have to fear God when they are saved and forgiven by the cross sacrifice?
Christians do not live under the Law of God, Paul did away with that.
Trailblazer
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Obviously Christians are not following the laws of God or teaching their children to.
I never did that.
Sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black with no indoctrination necessary.