Why don’t you believe in God?

[F1fan]

IYO

No, using logic.

 

[Jimmy]

Not inability. We're born with the ability to believe in gods. Children believe whatever they're told by a trusted source uncritically, which is why the church is so anxious to get back int the schools and have access to the children of parents who don't teach them about gods or take them to churches.

And not science. Empiricism, or informal science - the "science" we all do every day collecting evidence, generating correct inductions, and confirming and benefitting from them by applying them to specific instances in order to successfully predict outcomes through deduction. That's an acquired skill deliberately and painstakingly cultivated, not an inability to believe by faith. It's an unwillingness.

Evidence needed

Not inability. We're born with the ability to believe in gods. Children believe whatever they're told by a trusted source uncritically, which is why the church is so anxious to get back int the schools and have access to the children of parents who don't teach them about gods or take them to churches.

And not science. Empiricism, or informal science - the "science" we all do every day collecting evidence, generating correct inductions, and confirming and benefitting from them by applying them to specific instances in order to successfully predict outcomes through deduction. That's an acquired skill deliberately and painstakingly cultivated, not an inability to believe by faith. It's an unwillingness.

i’m a little confused. So what you’re saying is evidence is needed.?

 

[Jimmy]

There's no benevolent power at work on planet Earth. There exists a brutal, survival, and power game amongst humans. The universe is hostile and indifferent to life on Earth. If humanity is to survive then power needs be given to the trustworthy and deserving instead of merely using up such people as pawns.

If God is charitable and benevolent then no such God exists for the aforementioned reasons. If any other God would exist without charity and benevolence then that God is merely worthless.

The universe behaves as there were no transcendent force. Existence couldn't care less about transcendence. Life is a scavenger and beggar in the universe.

Nothing on Earth indicates that life has an ideal existence somewhere out there. Honest working humans are what produce the quality of life that so many people enjoy, yet they themselves receive little reward. If there were a God we would see justice operating in the world.

So you reject God for philosophical reasons?

 

[F1fan]

I think the average Joe would be able to detect a God. Maybe even more so than another God.

How can the average Joe detect gods, but to rational minds examining the issue there is nothing?

Try to actually think about this, and put some effort in defending your claim.

 

[Jimmy]

No, using logic.

Your logic is your opinion

 

[Pogo]

I think the average Joe would be able to detect a God. Maybe even more so than another God.

Well apparently this average Joe is incapable of conveying his method to anyone else and so it is useless to anyone except average Joe.

 

[F1fan]

Your logic is your opinion

False. Logic is a set of rules that rational minds apply to thinking. You write posts that suggest you aren’t familiar with the rules.

 

[Jimmy]

How can the average Joe detect gods, but to rational minds examining the issue there is nothing?

Try to actually think about this, and put some effort in defending your claim.

I’m average and I sense a higher being. I also sense, a higher human being living on earth.

 

[Jimmy]

Well apparently this average Joe is incapable of conveying his method to anyone else and so it is useless to anyone except average Joe.

Maybe you’re above average wink wink

 

[Jimmy]

False. Logic is a set of rules that rational minds apply to thinking. You write posts that suggest you aren’t familiar with the rules.

We see life in two completely different ways. It’s all good.

 

[osgart]

So you reject God for philosophical reasons?

I see no justice in the world. Nor is there any proof God exists. It's not a matter of rejecting what I know is there. It's a matter of dismissing what I know is not there.

 

[F1fan]

I’m average and I sense a higher being.

Prove that you sense a higher being and that it’s not just learned beliefs from your social experience.

I also sense, a higher human being living on earth.

That’s an extraordinary claim. Prove it.

 

[Quintessence]

Is it because of your inability to believe in anything that can’t be explained by science?

When I was one of those anti-theist, anti-religion little twats in my youth, that was part of it but it was more complicated than that. And I find it more important to understand the cultural context of modern, domesticated American society that forms the backdrop for these experiences because I was very much an unfortunate product of that until I learned better.

Specifically, I'm referring to the modern obsession with logos and its general ignorance and devaluing of mythos. You see this in the education system in particular, with the continued demise and destruction of the studies of what it means to be human and the elevation of STEM fields not just at universities but also in earlier stages of public education. It feeds into the capitalist obsession with product over process; it doesn't matter how the machine was made, only that it gets made. The meaning of it doesn't matter, only that it functions (and makes someone money). A loss of mythos for logos. And we've had a predictable rise in mental health ailments as a result.

At the time I threw what was basically a childhood tantrum and quit going to church and rejected Catholicism, that was a time in my life when I was especially blind to mythos and especially overtuned in to logos. I concluded all theology and religion was bull crap because it wasn't science and because it wasn't logical. I threw the seeds out with the soil like an idiot child instead of bothering to understand what theology and religion are really about. And public education doesn't teach kids squat about theology and religion either, so I stayed an ignorant little twat for quite a while. It is what it is.

Some folks just stay blind to these things. That too, is what it is.

 

[Pogo]

So you need evidence to believe something?

Since all the ones I have investigated have turned out to be man-made constructions, at the very least I will need evidence that the god you propose I believe in is not a man-made construction. without some evidence, I default to no belief, as opposed to disbelief.

 

[Jimmy]

I see no justice in the world. Nor is there any proof God exists. It's not a matter of rejecting what I know is there. It's a matter of dismissing what I know is not there.

Well, hopefully one day you will see the world in a better light. So you do need proof? Thank you for clarifying that it’s a matter of what’s not there rather than what is there.

 

[F1fan]

We see life in two completely different ways. It’s all good.

If you want to make sound conclusions and avoid being influenced into believing irrational ideas, logic and reasoning is the best way. Your views defy definitions and facts, and you don’t seem interested in truth.

 

[Jimmy]

Since all the ones I have investigated have turned out to be man-made constructions, at the very least I will need evidence that the god you propose I believe in is not a man-made construction. without some evidence, I default to no belief, as opposed to disbelief.

Thank you for the clarification of no belief rather than disbelief

 

[Jimmy]

If you want to make sound conclusions and avoid being influenced into believing irrational ideas, logic and reasoning is the best way. Your views defy definitions and facts, and you don’t seem interested in truth.

I’m very interested in truth. Like I said, we see the world differently

 

[Pogo]

I’m average and I sense a higher being. I also sense, a higher human being living on earth.

But as we have noted, it is only your personal opinion as you are unable to communicate it to anyone else, I.e. you cannot provide evidence only the assertion.
Santa claws and the Thoth fairy jaded us.

 

[Jimmy]

When I was one of those anti-theist, anti-religion little twats in my youth, that was part of it but it was more complicated than that. And I find it more important to understand the cultural context of modern, domesticated American society that forms the backdrop for these experiences because I was very much an unfortunate product of that until I learned better.

Specifically, I'm referring to the modern obsession with logos and its general ignorance and devaluing of mythos. You see this in the education system in particular, with the continued demise and destruction of the studies of what it means to be human and the elevation of STEM fields not just at universities but also in earlier stages of public education. It feeds into the capitalist obsession with product over process; it doesn't matter how the machine was made, only that it gets made. The meaning of it doesn't matter, only that it functions (and makes someone money). A loss of mythos for logos. And we've had a predictable rise in mental health ailments as a result.

At the time I threw what was basically a childhood tantrum and quit going to church and rejected Catholicism, that was a time in my life when I was especially blind to mythos and especially overtuned in to logos. I concluded all theology and religion was bull crap because it wasn't science and because it wasn't logical. I threw the seeds out with the soil like an idiot child instead of bothering to understand what theology and religion are really about. And public education doesn't teach kids squat about theology and religion either, so I stayed an ignorant little twat for quite a while. It is what it is.

Some folks just stay blind to these things. That too, is what it is.

Thanks for sharing. It’s unfortunate that a lot of people go down that road.

Regarding stem, how it gets made is exactly what stem teaches. I mean, you can only teach a first grader so much.