Why don't ALLAH come down and say I am GOD so that every one will be a Muslim

[Father Heathen]

We don't actually. We expect 999/1000 to make the wrong choice =/

So god set the world up in a way that he knew would result in 99.9% of every human who existed, exists and will exist burning in torment for all eternity? Sick.

 

[IslamDude]

So god set the world up in a way that he knew would result in 99.9% of every human who existed, exists and will exist burning in torment for all eternity? Sick.

No, he set up the world to demonstrate which of his creations of free will, mankind and Jinn, would perform best. As he had angels, devoid of the same free will we have, for much longer than us. None of them stray and all are servants of his kingdom.

Apparently, the Devil sparked the rebellion and things haven't been so rosy since. Since we were given free will, the end result will be with 999/1000 in hell. I also understand we are the last of his creations, perhaps also the most unfortunate.

However anyone has the choice to follow him and enter heaven.

 

[PolyHedral]

No, he set up the world to demonstrate which of his creations of free will, mankind and Jinn, would perform best.

Demonstrate to whom? He already knows. (IIRC. Isn't Allah all-knowing?)

 

[Madhuri]

Well I can't say why God would do all this. All I know is what was mentioned in the Quran:

Surah 67:2

He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving.

Do the reason he created life and death was to demonstrate who would do the best among his creation.

So the meaning of life for a Muslim is to excel in a competition? To try to be better than others?

 

[IslamDude]

Demonstrate to whom? He already knows. (IIRC. Isn't Allah all-knowing?)

Well I'm only guessing here but...

Surah 2:30 Behold thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent (Man) on earth." They said "Wilt thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood? Whilst we (Angels) do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

To be honest I don't know. But he was talking to the angels when he created us. It could be them.

So the meaning of life for a Muslim is to excel in a competition? To try to be better than others?

That's why God created life. The meaning of life, to a Muslim however can differ. For some it could be to love God, love life and be righteous. To others it could just be heaven or hell. Trying to do their best in life to escape hell. Or try to do their best in life to attain heaven.

 

[Madhuri]

That's why God created life. The meaning of life, to a Muslim however can differ. For some it could be to love God, love life and be righteous. To others it could just be heaven or hell. Trying to do their best in life to escape hell. Or try to do their best in life to attain heaven.

Does this answer satisfy most Muslims? Are they generally happy with the purpose of their existence? Because the 'meaning' is directly related to the purpose of your life.

 

[IslamDude]

Does this answer satisfy most Muslims? Are they generally happy with the purpose of their existence? Because the 'meaning' is directly related to the purpose of your life.

Alike most faiths, most Muslims don't even know these explanations. They're more interested in studies and school and finding a hot girlfriend than finding a satisfying meaning to life.

 

[Madhuri]

Alike most faiths, most Muslims don't even know these explanations. They're more interested in studies and school and finding a hot girlfriend than finding a satisfying meaning to life.

Yeh, it's funny how few people bother to learn about the religion the claim to follow. I have found that in my religion and largely in Christianity.

 

[IslamDude]

Yeh, it's funny how few people bother to learn about the religion the claim to follow. I have found that in my religion and largely in Christianity.

I think it's pretty much everywhere mate.

 

[kaisersose]

Alike most faiths, most Muslims don't even know these explanations. They're more interested in studies and school and finding a hot girlfriend than finding a satisfying meaning to life.

Well...that is because studies and a hot girfriend provide a satisfying meaning to life!

 

[Phasmid]

The words, "logical" and, "Dr Zakir Naik" don't really belong in the same sentence.

 

[Autodidact]

Once again, there is a very simple explanation that fits all the facts, including this one. There is no such thing.

 

[Autodidact]

Besides, God has already addressed this topic in the Quran.
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Surah 6:158

Do they then wait for anything other than that the angels should come to them, or that your Lord (Allah) should come, or that some of the Signs of your Lord should come [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif](i.e. portents of the Hour e.g., rising of the sun from the west)! The day that some of the Signs of your Lord do come, no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good (by performing deeds of righteousness) through his Faith. Say: "Wait you! we [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif](too) are waiting." Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

[/FONT]Basically, when he does come, it'll be for judgement and way too late. The whole point was to believe in in God from the unseen. Otherwise faith would be much of a test, just a Holy Rule on earth, defeating the concept of free will, good and evil.

Well, if you're believing without evidence, then how do you pick which God to believe?

 

[Autodidact]

We don't actually. We expect 999/1000 to make the wrong choice =/



Well I can't say why God would do all this. All I know is what was mentioned in the Quran:

Surah 67:2

He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving.

Do the reason he created life and death was to demonstrate who would do the best among his creation.



I'm sorry I don't have the answer for that question. I love God for all he's given me and I also deem the afterlife as an important factor of my beliefs. As for someone who's beliefs are totally based on the afterlife, I'm not sure where they stand.

I do. He doesn't exist.

 

[Madhuri]

Well, if you're believing without evidence, then how do you pick which God to believe?

You generally don't choose. Most people are born into the religion that they stick with for life. Very few people actually make a choice, and those who do have usually done some research or been exposed to variety.

 

[Autodidact]

We don't actually. We expect 999/1000 to make the wrong choice =/

Let me get this. You believe that an all-powerful, all-loving being, who could have created the world anyway He wanted, chose to create it in such a way that the great majority of His beloved creatures would spend eternity in unspeakable agony? That's what you believe?!?

 

[Autodidact]

No, he set up the world to demonstrate which of his creations of free will, mankind and Jinn, would perform best. As he had angels, devoid of the same free will we have, for much longer than us. None of them stray and all are servants of his kingdom.

Apparently, the Devil sparked the rebellion and things haven't been so rosy since. Since we were given free will, the end result will be with 999/1000 in hell. I also understand we are the last of his creations, perhaps also the most unfortunate.

However anyone has the choice to follow him and enter heaven.

If this story makes sense to you, you may just be Muslim. On a negative note, apparently you will have abandoned all possibility of logical thought.

 

[Madhuri]

Let me get this. You believe that an all-powerful, all-loving being, who could have created the world anyway He wanted, chose to create it in such a way that the great majority of His beloved creatures would spend eternity in unspeakable agony? That's what you believe?!?

Not only. I wonder if it is significant to a Muslim that only a tiny percentage of people would accept this personality in their lives. It sure says something to me.

 

[Blackdog22]

Let me get this. You believe that an all-powerful, all-loving being, who could have created the world anyway He wanted, chose to create it in such a way that the great majority of His beloved creatures would spend eternity in unspeakable agony? That's what you believe?!?

Are mass murderers all loving? Of course they are, as long as they setup a guessing game, where 1 out of the 10 people they choose to murder gets a chance at living. God, how is this so difficult to understand......

Death of millions = Love = Easy to understand.

How about Russian roulette? How isn't that a loving game? You take a guess and someone dies. That is perfect love as long as there is someone watching the game who is more powerful than you are, say a parent if it were a bunch of kids.

 

[IslamDude]

Well, if you're believing without evidence, then how do you pick which God to believe?

Who's believing without evidence?

I do. He doesn't exist.

Opinion noted.

Let me get this. You believe that an all-powerful, all-loving being, who could have created the world anyway He wanted, chose to create it in such a way that the great majority of His beloved creatures would spend eternity in unspeakable agony? That's what you believe?!?

All powerful, maybe not so All loving.

He created many beings, we are the last. We have free will. 999/1000 people of this creation entering hell is the result of our free will. But you get to enjoy this life

If this story makes sense to you, you may just be Muslim. On a negative note, apparently you will have abandoned all possibility of logical thought.

How so?