Why don't ALLAH come down and say I am GOD so that every one will be a Muslim

[Wombat]

You generally don't choose. Most people are born into the religion that they stick with for life. Very few people actually make a choice, and those who do have usually done some research or been exposed to variety.

Hmmm...Generally true. But then there are those periods of great religious conversion and transformation- Cristianity as it spread through Europe,
Buddhism as it spread through Asia. These are not events that can be put down to the sword or "research". People chose to abandon gods of thunder, war, fertility and/or ancestor worship in favor of something new, unfamiliar and presumably better. In this I have no doubt that it was the wemon, having least to loose and most to gain, who led the way and set the persuading/ converting example.

 

[Madhuri]

Hmmm...Generally true. But then there are those periods of great religious conversion and transformation- Cristianity as it spread through Europe,
Buddhism as it spread through Asia. These are not events that can be put down to the sword or "research". People chose to abandon gods of thunder, war, fertility and/or ancestor worship in favor of something new, unfamiliar and presumably better. In this I have no doubt that it was the wemon, having least to loose and most to gain, who led the way and set the persuading/ converting example.

True, true. And every incident is influenced by various factors. I think some religions have spread through power, oppression and violence as well.

 

[nameless]

A logical answer to that by Dr Zakir Naik---hope it helps

[youtube]BgNKA-_SeKU[/youtube]
YouTube - Why don't ALLAH come down and say I am GOD so that every one will be a Muslim? Dr Zakir Naik

the logic is non-sense, from naik's words it seems to me that 'allah' is an ugly fellow, for he forces everyone to write exam, and if failed in exam, the everlasting torture. If someone is not interested in exam, reward or hell, he should be left alone. Again zakir naik proves his mental disorder.......

 

[Storm]

A logical answer to that by Dr Zakir Naik---hope it helps

[youtube]BgNKA-_SeKU[/youtube]
YouTube - Why don't ALLAH come down and say I am GOD so that every one will be a Muslim? Dr Zakir Naik

I tried to watch, I did but... I can't understand his accent.

Could you summarize?

 

[Penumbra]

From the video, "now after they come to know the truth, whether they believe or not, is their problem" doesn't make sense. If one has knowledge, belief is superfluous.

Those that pass the test seem to be concentrated in certain areas:

Religion is a regional and cultural thing. Different religions sprang up in different areas, and all claim truth. Some of them are more pushy and exclusive than others.

 

[nameless]

No, he set up the world to demonstrate which of his creations of free will, mankind and Jinn, would perform best. As he had angels, devoid of the same free will we have, for much longer than us. None of them stray and all are servants of his kingdom.

Apparently, the Devil sparked the rebellion and things haven't been so rosy since. Since we were given free will, the end result will be with 999/1000 in hell. I also understand we are the last of his creations, perhaps also the most unfortunate.

insightful

 

[Wombat]

Religion is a regional and cultural thing. Different religions sprang up in different areas, .

Hmmm....Did they?

Care to put up your map again and locate the geograhical origins of the worlds major living religious traditions?-
Hindu, Judaism, Zorroastrian, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam....

It's not a global phenomena, it's not out of Africa or Europe or the Americas. In global terms it is confined to a region that on a map you could cover with your thumb.
Almost like horses comming from a single geographical stable.

And watch them run along a time line....all spread out...never a Jesus and a Buddah in the same time frame...not even over ten thousand years of recorded history...no Moses and Mohammed within 200+ years of each other.

If it was a horse race.....there would be a Stewards inquiry...because it's clearly fixed and well beyond the realms of chance.

 

[A Thousand Suns]

I have very little respect for this man. He is a great Muslim scholar it seems, but it also seems he has made it his mission to spread lies about Hinduism. For that reason I cannot respect his mission in the least.

Again ,why do people start judging on the basis of what other people tell you----have you seen his speech with your own eyes----and caught him lying??

 

[A Thousand Suns]

Ok... before someone who doesn't share the same beliefs comes and dismantles this with a blistering fireball. I'm just going to say that comparing a Teacher giving students and examination/test to God testing mankind doesn't exactly add up. Your exam is something you intentionally attended, agreed with the teacher and then maybe forgot the answers later. The result of failure, is that you PHAIL. Faith is something you may not have bought into at all. the result of failure is that you burn in hell fire forever. So these are entirely different scenarios entailing different meanings, purposes and consequences. Dr. Zakir Naik is a great man and I have a lot of respect for him for all the work he's done around the world. But... what works in a lecture won't necessarily stand on its own in a debate.

I dont think you understood his argument---He was just giving a example and ofcourse its not the same as the test we are undergoing in this world

 

[A Thousand Suns]

And in a world where there are so many different ideas of what path leads to heaven and what path leads to hell, how can you expect people to make a correct choice?

Allah has undertaken a promise in Quran that each and every person will be showed the true path , later it depends on that person which path he wants to choose

'We shall show then Our signs on the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the Truth.' (41:53)

'...We have distinguished the signs for a people who understand.' (6:97)

'Say: Go all over Earth and observe how He has created (man) in the first instance.' (29:20)

'He is the one who continuously show you proofs and sends down provisions from the sky. Only those who truly submit will be able to take heed.' (40:13)

 

[IslamDude]

I dont think you understood his argument---He was just giving a example and ofcourse its not the same as the test we are undergoing in this world

I understand his argument brother. I was just letting you know why no one's really going to accept it =/

 

[IslamDude]

From the video, "now after they come to know the truth, whether they believe or not, is their problem" doesn't make sense. If one has knowledge, belief is superfluous.

Those that pass the test seem to be concentrated in certain areas:

Religion is a regional and cultural thing. Different religions sprang up in different areas, and all claim truth. Some of them are more pushy and exclusive than others.

You don't seem to understand.

The truth of God is what is apparent. The truth of Islam is a whole different topic. Islam was spread by the Prophet Mohammed, which started around that regionn and of course spread outward. So it wouldn't make sense if the majority of Muslims were on the other side of the planet.

Besides, only around 15% of the world is atheist.

One thing you gotta know. From an Islamic view, Islam, Christianity and Judaism are essentially the same religion with different names. Those names separate the Abrahamic religion into factions.

Just as even in Islam itself there are tons of factions, Shiite, Ahmadi, Wahabi, Salafi, Deobandis and lots more. These are merely sects started by individuals. Whereas the three major names being of people following different Prophets sent by God.

We don't believe Jesus was a Christian, or Moses was a Jew. They were in fact both Jews by ethnicity, but their Religion was Islam. The Christians and Jews themselves are called so due to their separate teachings and followings. However the Abrahamic religion we all follow is Islam, meaning to surrender to God's will. And God generally doesn't refer to us as Muslim in the Quran but rather Mu'min, Believers.

Here's a verse from the Quran...

"Surely, those who are believers, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians – whosoever believed in Allaah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
[al-Maa’idah 5:69]

I hope that clears things up a bit.

 

[Madhuri]

Again ,why do people start judging on the basis of what other people tell you----have you seen his speech with your own eyes----and caught him lying??

I've watched his videos, I've read some of his arguments, and I've had to deal with Muslims who use his arguments to tell me about my own religion. So yes, I think I'm being fair in my judgement.

 

[Penumbra]

Hmmm....Did they?

Care to put up your map again and locate the geograhical origins of the worlds major living religious traditions?-
Hindu, Judaism, Zorroastrian, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam....

It's not a global phenomena, it's not out of Africa or Europe or the Americas. In global terms it is confined to a region that on a map you could cover with your thumb.
Almost like horses comming from a single geographical stable.

And watch them run along a time line....all spread out...never a Jesus and a Buddah in the same time frame...not even over ten thousand years of recorded history...no Moses and Mohammed within 200+ years of each other.

If it was a horse race.....there would be a Stewards inquiry...because it's clearly fixed and well beyond the realms of chance.

Why would you exclude non-living religions? That's confirmation bias.

Virtually every continent spawned religious thought. Natives in the Americas, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Australia had religions (and some of them are still around). Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came from the middle east, and Sanatama Dharma and Buddhism came from further east.

You don't seem to understand.

The truth of God is what is apparent. The truth of Islam is a whole different topic. Islam was spread by the Prophet Mohammed, which started around that regionn and of course spread outward. So it wouldn't make sense if the majority of Muslims were on the other side of the planet.

Besides, only around 15% of the world is atheist.

One thing you gotta know. From an Islamic view, Islam, Christianity and Judaism are essentially the same religion with different names. Those names separate the Abrahamic religion into factions.

Just as even in Islam itself there are tons of factions, Shiite, Ahmadi, Wahabi, Salafi, Deobandis and lots more. These are merely sects started by individuals. Whereas the three major names being of people following different Prophets sent by God.

We don't believe Jesus was a Christian, or Moses was a Jew. They were in fact both Jews by ethnicity, but their Religion was Islam. The Christians and Jews themselves are called so due to their separate teachings and followings. However the Abrahamic religion we all follow is Islam, meaning to surrender to God's will. And God generally doesn't refer to us as Muslim in the Quran but rather Mu'min, Believers.

Here's a verse from the Quran...

"Surely, those who are believers, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians – whosoever believed in Allaah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
[al-Maa’idah 5:69]

I hope that clears things up a bit.

I understand that Islam views Jews and Christians as worshiping the same deity, albeit not as correctly as they are. There are, however, significant differences between those three religions.

Repeatedly bringing up that 15% of the world is a bad argument. Argument by population doesn't mean correctness. Much of the progress in the world (ending slavery, working towards gender equality) has been a result of going against commonly held thought. Arguments stand on their own merit rather than derive their merit from how many people accept them at any given time.

And the statistic conveniently ignores all non-Abrahamic religions. The Abrahamic and Dharmic religions look at the world very, very differently, and both groups are measured in the billions. If we actually break down the worldwide views into a pie chart, taking into account the various religions, sects, and non-religions, it would be a pretty chaotic pie-chart.

-Lyn

 

[IslamDude]

I understand that Islam views Jews and Christians as worshiping the same deity, albeit not as correctly as they are. There are, however, significant differences between those three religions.

Repeatedly bringing up that 15% of the world is a bad argument. Argument by population doesn't mean correctness. Much of the progress in the world (ending slavery, working towards gender equality) has been a result of going against commonly held thought. Arguments stand on their own merit rather than derive their merit from how many people accept them at any given time.

I only mentioned the population statistics because I thought it was you who posted this...

From the video, "now after they come to know the truth, whether they believe or not, is their problem" doesn't make sense. If one has knowledge, belief is superfluous.

Those that pass the test seem to be concentrated in certain areas:

Religion is a regional and cultural thing. Different religions sprang up in different areas, and all claim truth. Some of them are more pushy and exclusive than others.

Merely outlining the weakness in the argument. Otherwise I honestly wouldn't have bothered.

And the statistic conveniently ignores all non-Abrahamic religions. The Abrahamic and Dharmic religions look at the world very, very differently, and both groups are measured in the billions. If we actually break down the worldwide views into a pie chart, taking into account the various religions, sects, and non-religions, it would be a pretty chaotic pie-chart.

-Lyn

Probably.

 

[Starsoul]

Well...that is because studies and a hot girfriend provide a satisfying meaning to life!

And what happens when the hot girlfriend leaves and the economic crunch ousts you, is a Very unsatisfactory, long phase of anger, self destruction and resentment with 'God' because in the end its 'Him' who should have made sure that such a *wise & great* idea of happiness remained intact

 

[Penumbra]

I only mentioned the population statistics because I thought it was you who posted this...

Merely outlining the weakness in the argument. Otherwise I honestly wouldn't have bothered.

Probably.

It wasn't an argument via population. It was an argument of bad testing design.

The premise of a test is that it shows the differentiation between individuals in one or more abilities. When the results of the test would be so concentrated in a particular location, in a particular culture, it shows a lack of adequate test control.

What is Islam testing? The ability of a person to unquestioningly follow the thoughts of his culture?

The purpose of the map was to highlight the flaw in the test hypothesis and instead to point out that it's merely an instance of one culture insisting that other cultures be tested to see how closely they match with the former culture.

-Lyn

 

[IslamDude]

It wasn't an argument via population. It was an argument of bad testing design.

Based on population statistics.

The premise of a test is that it shows the differentiation between individuals in one or more abilities. When the results of the test would be so concentrated in a particular location, in a particular culture, it shows a lack of adequate test control.

Who's premise of what test?

What is Islam testing? The ability of a person to unquestioningly follow the thoughts of his culture?

Islam isn't testing anything. It's a way of life. Specifically, Thee Way of life.

The purpose of the map was to highlight the flaw in the test hypothesis and instead to point out that it's merely an instance of one culture insisting that other cultures be tested to see how closely they match with the former culture.

If the population statistics bring you to that conclusion then fine. Won't be the same with everyone else. Especially when considering things on a much larger scale with Abrahamic religions.

 

[dust1n]

We don't actually. We expect 999/1000 to make the wrong choice =/

Isn't 1/6 of the human population Muslim?

 

[Penumbra]

Based on population statistics.

Who's premise of what test?

Islam isn't testing anything. It's a way of life. Specifically, Thee Way of life.

If the population statistics bring you to that conclusion then fine. Won't be the same with everyone else. Especially when considering things on a much larger scale with Abrahamic religions.

So you're disagreeing with the video in the OP?

The video in the OP is about this all being a test.