Why Evil?

[Skwim]

Thanks for the disinformation.

Odd that you don't believe what your Bible says. Or is it that you can't allow yourself to believe what it says? My impression is that it's the later, which is kind of sad.

 

[truthofscripture]

Odd that you don't believe what your Bible says. Or is it that you can't allow yourself to believe what it says? My impression is that it's the later, which is kind of sad.

I believe every word of the inspired word of God. Once again you posted your opinion, that you're entitled to. But remember, opinions are supposed to be based on FACTS.

 

[Skwim]

Once again you posted your opinion, that you're entitled to. But remember, opinions are supposed to be based on FACTS.

Just to be clear here, my last post was in reference to the quote of Judges 11, which obviously isn't a matter of opinion; Jephthah obviously did sacrifice his daughter. So I now assume you were referring to my:

"And why should they when he deliberately kills babies? Killing babies is not an act of love. It's an act of evil. See post 200 for the definition."​

Q. Is it not a fact that god killed babies?
A. If one believes what's written in the Bible it certainly is.

Q. Is killing (innocent) babies as has been pointed out an act of love ?
A. Not in my book. Is killing of these (innocent) babies an act of love in yours?

Q. Is it an act of evil (under the definition I posted in post 200)?
A. Yes​

So, I don't see any opinion here that isn't based on fact. Unless of course, you regard the killing (innocent) babies as has been pointed out to be an act of love. Do you? OR that killing of these (innocent) babies is not an act of evil. Do you? (Might want to revisit the definition of "evil" I posted in post 200)

 

[Ingledsva]

I believe every word of the inspired word of God. Once again you posted your opinion, that you're entitled to. But remember, opinions are supposed to be based on FACTS.

He posted actual scripture, - just as I did.

So what is this crap you folks are putting out?

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[Ingledsva]

It wasn't like they just killed off their children the first time they acted out. The whole nation would be gone if that were the case. People who did not observe the Sabbath were murdered because they disobeyed God. Religion was the backbone of the society. Do you think that it's important to be involved?

ING - It does not matter how long their self-destructive behavior went on - to kill them for it - is MURDER.

Gay people carry diseases which is the reason why it was commanded in the first place that it should not happen and that those people should be killed.

ING - MY! MY! Aren't you living under an ancient rock. Gay people carry the same diseases that straight people DO. Gay people did NOT start HIV/AIDS! And the Bible actually says nothing against homosexuals, - just Sacred Sex which is Idolatry, - thus worthy of death.

My God is superior... no other way around it... no matter what you say, no matter what you do. I know, we (Christians) underwent persecution for our beliefs and obedience to God, we count it as an honor to undergo persecution for the Messiah of the world. Or do you watch the news? If any of us are killed we are sealed in Christ and heaven is our home. Not earth, therefore I don't care what you think about me because we're not of the same family. My God is once again superior. Not you.

ING - There isn't even any proof that your God exists, let alone that he would be more superior than any of the other religions' Gods.

There was a limit to the terms of service a slave could work and then they were released unless they wanted to stay.

ING - AGAIN - You obviously have not read your Bible. The Hebrew could only be used as hired temporary workers. All other nations could be enslaved forever, beaten, bred to make more slaves, etc!

Is rape oppressive? If so then that verse tells you what God thinks about the act of it. He longs to crush the oppressor under his feet. By the way, did I mention my God is superior to whatever type of morality we can conjure up in our mind?

CLICK HIS TO EXPAND -

From your totally OFF comments - I am beginning to think you are a troll!

You definitely do NOT know the Bible!

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[Ingledsva]

I'm tired of trying to prove to you that God is perfectly holy and perfectly loving. God will reveal himself to you if he wants to, I just hope your heart is willing when he does. You honestly don't even care about what God thinks, or if he might have an opinion that's different than yours. As for the verses they are either taken out of context or translated poorly. I'm reading out of a Bible that is translated from Biblical scholars and it's way different from your translation. I choose to trust the Bible scholars rather than you. As for Hellmut Schramm, he seems like a Nazi sympathizer. (I've never heard of him.) As far as making a child pass through the flames, that sounds like Baal worship. It says that none of you shall make their child pass through the fire. (Deuteronomy 18:10) That makes human sacrifice an abominable practice. As far as the situation with Jephthah is concerned I don't believe he ever sacrificed his daughter. It was an unfulfilled oath.

LOL! I think you are a Troll!

You obviously do NOT know the Bible!

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[Ingledsva]

God is described as "love", but few choose to recognize that fact. God does reveal the truth of his written word if He sees an honest heart within someone. And no, Jephthah did not sacrifice his daughter.

BULL! It specifically says he did!

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[rrosskopf]

AGAIN - There is no misinterpretation of MURDER!

If you KILL your child because you don't like his lifestyle, - that is MURDER!

If you KILL someone for not attending Temple, or for working on Sabbath, - that is MURDER!

If you KILL someone because they have a different religion, - that is MURDER!

If you KILL someone because they are GAY, - that is MURDER!

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entice/says/avouch/certify you secretly/privately to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.

So does this verse from YHVH in Tanakh - mean it is OK to KILL proselytizing Christians - whom are trying to entice Jews from their religion? It isn't MURDER, because the law is from God???? This is what you are telling us!

Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God,

That would be you proselytizing Christians! And those Christians you claim saw God! Are these laws still righteous in your eyes? Are they NOT murder?

It isn't murder if one is following the law, by definition. Obviously, if I kill someone because I don't like his lifestyle, that would be murder. I live in a police state. It is against the law. We pay taxes to the government, and let them do our killing. The severity of the punishment is set by law which was established by the common consent of the people. It wasn't too many years ago that stealing a horse would also require a death sentence in our country. Society decides the worth of a human life, when they legislate the severity of criminal punishment. Homosexual sex was also outlawed in several states, in the not too distant past. That has nothing to do with whether it was murder in the days of the Mosaic law. It isn't murder if one is following the law.

Now it could be iniquity. A person can follow the law and still commit acts of gross iniquity. The best example that I can think of is the women that the Pharisees brought before Christ, accusing her of adultery. By the law, she could have been stoned. By the law, her accuser should throw the first stone. Yet it would have been gross iniquity for someone who has committed the same sin to exact judgement on her. Iniquity is when we treat each other unequally.

As far as the Jews persecuting Christians; I'm sure they felt justified by the law, so it wasn't murder. It was wrong, ie sinful to kill Christians, because the Christians were arguably worshiping the same God as the Jews. In the early days of the church the members were primarily Jews. The religious leaders of the Jews were using the law to justify their actions, but there is a higher law which they were breaking. They weren't treating their brothers in the manner in which they themselves desired to be treated. They were practicing iniquity.

 

[rrosskopf]

You folks always tell people that we don't know Gods plan - whatever bad now - is for their good - somewhere down the line.

Us folks? You mean Mormons? We do know Gods plan, and have never been shy about explaining it. It is explained quite well in the Book of Mormon. We have other scriptures as well that elaborate on the plan of God. We answer the 3 big questions, "Where did we come from?", "Why are we here?", and "Where will we go after this life?". God has taught us much through the gift of revelation.

To start with, we know God's purpose.

"For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." - Moses 1:39

"Eternal life" has a more specific meaning that just immortality.

"O, my beloved brethren, remember the awfulness in transgressing against that Holy God, and also the awfulness of yielding to the enticings of that cunning one. Remember, to be carnally-minded is death, and to be spiritually-minded is life eternal." - 2 Nephi 9:39

To learn to be spiritually minded, we must know God.

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." - John 17:3

Of course, men have their agency. They can choose for themselves.

"I ought not to harrow up in my desires the firm decree of a just God, for I know that he granteth unto men according to their desire, whether it be unto death or unto life; yea, I know that he allotteth unto men, yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable, according to their wills, whether they be unto salvation or unto destruction." - Alma 29:4

God wants us to choose life of our own free will.

For this to happen, there must be choices, "opposites in all things".

"For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, my firstborn in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad." - 2 Nephi 2:11

 

[Ingledsva]

AGAIN - There is no misinterpretation of MURDER!

If you KILL your child because you don't like his lifestyle, - that is MURDER!

If you KILL someone for not attending Temple, or for working on Sabbath, - that is MURDER!

If you KILL someone because they have a different religion, - that is MURDER!

If you KILL someone because they are GAY, - that is MURDER!

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entice/says/avouch/certify you secretly/privately to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.

So does this verse from YHVH in Tanakh - mean it is OK to KILL proselytizing Christians - whom are trying to entice Jews from their religion? It isn't MURDER, because the law is from God???? This is what you are telling us!

Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God,

That would be you proselytizing Christians! And those Christians you claim saw God! Are these laws still righteous in your eyes? Are they NOT murder?

It isn't murder if one is following the law, by definition.

ING - YES it still is murder. When any religion kills people for not following their religious laws - that is murder.

Or do you think the murders committed by ISIS are righteous, - and not murder, - because they follow the laws of Abrahamic religion?

Obviously, if I kill someone because I don't like his lifestyle, that would be murder. I live in a police state. It is against the law. We pay taxes to the government, and let them do our killing. The severity of the punishment is set by law which was established by the common consent of the people. It wasn't too many years ago that stealing a horse would also require a death sentence in our country. Society decides the worth of a human life, when they legislate the severity of criminal punishment. Homosexual sex was also outlawed in several states, in the not too distant past. That has nothing to do with whether it was murder in the days of the Mosaic law. It isn't murder if one is following the law.

ING - See above!

Now it could be iniquity. A person can follow the law and still commit acts of gross iniquity. The best example that I can think of is the women that the Pharisees brought before Christ, accusing her of adultery. By the law, she could have been stoned. By the law, her accuser should throw the first stone. Yet it would have been gross iniquity for someone who has committed the same sin to exact judgement on her. Iniquity is when we treat each other unequally.

As far as the Jews persecuting Christians; I'm sure they felt justified by the law, so it wasn't murder. It was wrong, ie sinful to kill Christians, because the Christians were arguably worshiping the same God as the Jews. In the early days of the church the members were primarily Jews. The religious leaders of the Jews were using the law to justify their actions, but there is a higher law which they were breaking. They weren't treating their brothers in the manner in which they themselves desired to be treated. They were practicing iniquity.

I didn't say anything about Jews persecuting Christians.

I posted one of those laws from your God, - that you think are not murder to carry out, - because they are from that God, - that says to KILL people that try to take you from your religion.

With your thinking, - That would mean it is fine for Jews to KILL Christians - that are trying to make them Christian, by proselytizing! It isn't murder because the laws are from God? According to you.

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