Why evolution did not comes like this ?

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

*facepalm*

Did you read what I wrote? I said we cannot PREDICT when and where mutations will occur.

There is no "calculation" required for recognizing familiarity between two DNA sequences. The point is that we cannot PREDICT where mutations will occur BEFORE they have occurred. Once again you are just demonstrating how extremely confused you are.

Again, that would make DNA evidence inadmissable in courts of law, because then a suspect can just say well somebody else has largely the same DNA as me. You don't understand anything, and there is just something with people who don't accept freedom is real that makes talking reasonably with them impossible.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Again, that would make DNA evidence inadmissable in courts of law, because then a suspect can just say well somebody else has largely the same DNA as me.

*double facepalm*

Do you understand how astronomically unlikely it is for two organisms to have the EXACT same genetic sequence? Every single living organism on this planet carries at least between 100 and 200 completely unique mutations in their genetic that NO OTHER ORGANISMS ON THE PLANET HAVE. This is why it is extremely easy for DNA to be linked to a specific individual - all DNA carries at least one very small fraction of it that is unique to that individual.

You don't understand anything, and there is just something with people who don't accept freedom is real that makes talking reasonably with them impossible.

This is hilarious coming from someone who clearly does't understand the first thing about science, genetics or DNA.

 

[Windwalker]

But if you really accepted freedom is real, then you would support theory about how things, and organisms, are chosen to be the way they are.

This first of all makes no sense at all. If things were chosen to be the way they are, then they are fixed. That is not freedom. It's determinism, except God fixed it. If however evolution is true, then you do in fact have freedom. Things do not follow fixed and static paths. They change at will, it seems. Freedom of movement is what makes things evolve! That's why things don't remain one thing and one thing only.

So, then I turn this upon you, if you really accepted freedom, why would you choose hate the fact of evolution? Why would you make God your idea and keep that idea fixed and unchanging? Aren't you making a choice, against freedom of movement of your thoughts?

I mean, you do not really accept freedom is real, when you have no knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe.

You don't understand what freedom is, apparently.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

*double facepalm*

Do you understand how astronomically unlikely it is for two organisms to have the EXACT same genetic sequence?

You insisted that it cannot be calculated......now suddenly calculations can be made.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

This first of all makes no sense at all. If things were chosen to be the way they are, then they are fixed. That is not freedom.

What, choosing things is the opposite of freedom? Obviously....you don't understand anything about freedom whatsoever...

The highly emotive screeching that you do gives it away, which screeching ensures no rational argument about how choosing works can follow.

 

[Windwalker]

What, choosing things is the opposite of freedom? Obviously....you don't understand anything about freedom whatsoever...

The highly emotive screeching that you do gives it away, which screeching ensures no rational argument about how choosing works can follow.

Emotional screeching? Wow. You're not worth anyone's time or effort. Good luck on your pursuit of knowledge, as nothing else will help you. Onto my ignore list you go.

 

[McBell]

Again, that would make DNA evidence inadmissable in courts of law, because then a suspect can just say well somebody else has largely the same DNA as me.

Your blatant ignorance of DNA is staggering.

You don't understand anything, and there is just something with people who don't accept freedom is real that makes talking reasonably with them impossible.

You keep using the word "freedom" in ways that strongly indicate you do not know what the word means.

 

[outhouse]

"A joint statement of IAP by 68 national and international science academies lists as established scientific fact that Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old and has undergone continual change; that life, according to the evidence of earliest fossils, appeared on Earth at least 3.8 billion years ago and has subsequently taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve; and that the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicates their common primordial origin"

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Evidence of Evolution
Scientists have discovered a wealth of evidence concerning human evolution, and this evidence comes in many forms. Thousands of human fossils enable researchers and students to study the changes that occurred in brain and body size, locomotion, diet, and other aspects regarding the way of life of early human species over the past 6 million years. Millions of stone tools, figurines and paintings, footprints, and other traces of human behavior in the prehistoric record tell about where and how early humans lived and when certain technological innovations were invented. Study of human genetics show how closely related we are to other primates – in fact, how connected we are with all other organisms – and can indicate the prehistoric migrations of our species, Homo sapiens, all over the world. Advances in the dating of fossils and artifacts help determine the age of those remains, which contributes to the big picture of when different milestones in becoming human evolved.



Exciting scientific discoveries continually add to the broader and deeper public knowledge of human evolution. Find out about the latest evidence in our What’s Hot in Human Origins section.

Behavior
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3D Collection
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Human Fossils
From skeletons to teeth, early human fossils have been found of more than 6,000 individuals. Look into our digital 3-D collection and learn about fossil human species.

Genetics
Our genes offer evidence of how closely we are related to one another – and of our species’ connection with all other organisms.

Dating
The layers that contain fossils and archeological clues can be dated by more than a dozen techniques that use the basic principles of physics, chemistry, and Earth sciences. Some techniques can even estimate the age of the ancient teeth and bones directly. Advances in dating have made human evolution very exciting!


Human Evolution by The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program

One Species, Living Worldwide
The billions of human beings living today all belong to one species: Homo sapiens.

As in all species, there is variation among individual human beings, from size and shape to skin tone and eye color. But we are much more alike than we are different. We are, in fact, remarkably similar. The DNA of all human beings living today is 99.9% alike.

We all have roots extending back 200,000 years to the emergence of the first modern humans in Africa, and back more than 6 million years to the evolution of the earliest human species in Africa. This amazing story of adaptation and survival is written in the language of our genes, in every cell of our bodies—as well as in the fossil and behavioral evidence.

This ancient heritage is yours.

Explore the origins of modern humans in Africa about 200,000 years ago and celebrate our species’ epic journey around the world in this video: "One Species, Living Worldwide."

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/one-species-living- worldwide



New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution

Homo sapiens originated in Africa 150,000 years ago and began to migrate 55,000 to 60,000 years ago. It is thought he arrived in Australia around 45,000 years before present (BP). Australia was, at the time, already colonised by homo erectus. This dispersal, from Africa to Australia through Arabia, Asia and the Malay peninsula, could have occurred at a rate of 1km per year. (Credit: Image courtesy of University Of Cambridge)

New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution -- ScienceDaily



DNA Agrees With All the Other Science: Darwin Was Right

Molecular biologist Sean Carroll shows how evolution happens, one snippet of DNA at a time




One of the great triumphs of modern evolutionary science, evo devo addresses many of the key questions that were unanswerable when Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859, and Carroll has become a leader in this nascent field. Now a professor of molecular biology and genetics at the University of Wisconsin, he continues to decode the genes that control life’s physical forms and to explore how mutations in those genes drive evolutionary change. These days, Carroll also devotes increasing energy to telling the public about his field’s remarkable discoveries through a series of books—Endless Forms Most Beautiful, The Making of the Fittest, and the brand-new Remarkable Creatures. He spoke with DISCOVER senior editor Pamela Weintraub about what his work has taught him about Darwin, the nature of evolution, and how life really works.

It has been 150 years since Charles Darwin proposed his theory of evolution in On the Origin of Species, yet in some ways the concept of evolution seems more controversial than ever today. Why do you think that is?
It is a cultural issue, not a scientific one. On the science side our confidence grows yearly because we see independent lines of evidence converge. What we’ve learned from the fossil record is confirmed by the DNA record and confirmed again by embryology. But people have been raised to disbelieve evolution and to hold other ideas more precious than this knowledge. At the same time, we routinely rely on DNA to convict and exonerate criminals. We rely on DNA science for things like paternity. We rely on DNA science in the clinic to weigh our disease risks or maybe even to look at prognoses for things like cancer. DNA science surrounds us, but in this one realm we seem unwilling to accept its facts. Juries are willing to put people to death based upon the variations in DNA, but they’re not willing to understand the mechanism that creates that variation and shapes what makes humans different from other things. It’s a blindness. I think this is a phase that we’ll eventually get through. Other countries have come to peace with DNA. I don’t know how many decades or centuries it’s going to take us.

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They Don't Make Homo Sapiens Like They Used To
Our species—and individual races—have recently made big evolutionary changes to adjust to new pressures.


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Hundreds of Human Genes Still Evolving

A comprehensive scan of the human genome finds that hundreds of our genes have undergone positive natural selection during the past 10,000 years of human evolution.


Hundreds of Human Genes Still Evolving

Hey Godobeyer POE !

Please read the quality post above and understand before posting more of your fantasy and imagination and rhetorical misunderstanding of grade school biology.

 

[columbus]

Humans evolved from organisms that had eyes, though perhaps those eyes functioned slightly differently to our own.

Eyes are excellent evidence for evolution.
Almost all animals have them. A notable exception are the species of fish who have been living in caves for a long time. But horseshoe crabs, octopus, bees, and vertebrates all do.
The eyes of these creatures are extremely different. Their ancestors diverged very long ago and they evolved their sight organs separately over millions of years. Those eyes work in their evolutionary niche, but no "Designer" came up with the eye and put it in animals.
Obviously.
Tom

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[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Your blatant ignorance of DNA is staggering.


You keep using the word "freedom" in ways that strongly indicate you do not know what the word means.

Everybody should be able to see that evolutionists are just selling ideological nonsense as if it was science.

Freedom is real and relevant in the universe, in the future we will just make theory about how things are chosen in the universe. Just normal scientific theory, in which the question of agency is not addressed, and left as a matter of opinion. That is the way science will go, and in the future nobody is going to believe it that the majority of the scientific community denied freedom is real, completely ignored it. They will be absolutely astounded to learn it is true. Why did they?

 

[philbo]

Again, that would make DNA evidence inadmissable in courts of law, because then a suspect can just say well somebody else has largely the same DNA as me. You don't understand anything, and there is just something with people who don't accept freedom is real that makes talking reasonably with them impossible.

Oddly enough, I was at Leicester University studying biochem about 100 yards from where Prof. Jeffreys was developing the genetic fingerprinting techniques that are so widely used today: I suggest you read up about what DNA "fingerprinting" evidence used is, and why it is admissible. Because it really seems, reading what you're posting here, that you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about.

 

[columbus]

Freedom is real and relevant in the universe,

But not relevant to evolution. Most of it happened before there were humans and freedom was an issue.

Tom

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Oddly enough, I was at Leicester University studying biochem about 100 yards from where Prof. Jeffreys was developing the genetic fingerprinting techniques that are so widely used today: I suggest you read up about what DNA "fingerprinting" evidence used is, and why it is admissible. Because it really seems, reading what you're posting here, that you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about.

That is because you are wallowing in your prejudices, which always happens when I talk to evolutionists. I did not say dna fingerprinting does not work, I said that it requires calculations on the possibility of mutations.

 

[philbo]

That is because you are wallowing in your prejudices, which always happens when I talk to evolutionists. I did not say dna fingerprinting does not work, I said that it requires calculations on the possibility of mutations.

Please don't misprepresent what I said: I didn't say you said it didn't work, I said you don't know how it works. Which is obvious, given the last half of the sentence.

Nearly all individual mutations on one DNA string simply won't show up at all; some specific ones which cause a break (if you don't know what I mean, go and read how it works) would a bit.. but unless the mutation happened to spread across all the cells from which the DNA sample was collected, that would still me little more than noise in the signal.

And all those calculations have been done, hence DNA "matches" return from the lab with a probability attached

 

[columbus]

That is because you are wallowing in your prejudices, which always happens when I talk to evolutionists. I did not say dna fingerprinting does not work, I said that it requires calculations on the possibility of mutations.

You don't understand how big DNA is. The difference between two people is a small percentage, but quite large enough to analyze.
No need to calculate mutations. You're just wrong, and wallowing in your prejudices.

Tom

 

[outhouse]

Why evolution not mirror my creationist imagination?

 

[dust1n]

Hi all

I have some question :

Why did not find man in deep past , with missing parts noise,ears,tongue ,eyes , for exemple :

human with one hand , human without fingeres , birds without wings .......etc

is not this the main concept of the evolution ?

Noses, Ears, Tongues, Eyes, Hands, Fingers, Wings, etc, all predate mammals and birds.

 

[dust1n]

Even in the very oldest layers of strata, fossils of plants and animals are of creatures that first appeared on earth in their distinct, specialized forms.

In very oldest layers of strata, there are no life forms, nor do plants or animals even exist yet.

 

[outhouse]

The fossil record has consistently illustrated that the theory of evolution is invalid.

Your Factually in error.

Every single fossil every recovered is a transitional fossil, and supports the fasts of evolution 100%

Despite a few disproven claims, no fossil of any creature in transition from one species to another has ever been found.

Your Factually in error.

Every single fossil every recovered is a transitional fossil, and supports the fasts of evolution 100%

Even in the very oldest layers of strata, fossils of plants and animals are of creatures that first appeared on earth in their distinct, specialized forms.

Completely false. I would question if you even have a grade school education biology.

Our oldest fossil are of Cyanobacteria colony's. 3.8 B years old

Godobeyer, Your question expresses a profound truth.

Your the first person to say that.

I will claim fanaticism loves fundamentalism

 

[dust1n]

Perhaps it would be easier to show the known evolutionary lineage leading to man as completely as possible -or indicating what is assumed.

Timeline of human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia