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Why EXACTLY is JK Rowling accused of being transphobic?

Brickjectivity

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Staff member
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So do YOU find any of what she did or said to be a problem? If so, which things, and why do YOU think they are a problem?
I hate political partisan talk, which is all this is. At the same time I recognize the evil necessity of it. Intelligence must win, and whoever can convince the most people is the most intelligent and sees the biggest picture....hopefully. Therefore exaggerations sometimes must be fought with other exaggerations, although there is risk of losing arguments when your exaggerations get found out. In political fights you have to know how to get nasty. You cannot be a puritan. Rowling knows this, too. I think she is being treated unfairly but that all sides know it. It will blow over, and she'll be more popular than ever including with transexual persons. This kind of incendiary and semantically painful political talk is endemic and a necessity in public discourse.

I admit it would not be a necessity if some people were not trolls, but a troll is born every seventy-two seconds. Therefore a good politician must be skilled in evil speech. He or she must learn to give as good as gets, or the baddie will take advantage in debate. Angelic forms always hide daggers. In fact it is often wrongly asserted that all politicians and lawyers are bad.

They are not all bad, but you cannot tell. An evil can do good, and a good can do evil. The ones to worry about are weak willed, half hearted who believe they can win by a miraculous coincidence. Every inch of ground is only gained by cleverness.

It was an error to accuse Rowling but not necessarily an evil attempt. It was a mistake. She clearly believes in gay rights, doesn't drink blood and is somewhat cuddly.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I read it and didn't see a bias. It was pretty much a list of "here's what she did, and here are the objections to it". How is that bias?
Do you think the objections were unbiased?
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Do you think the objections were unbiased?
Eh, I'm not really invested in that particular battle. I personally think (1) trans people exist and (2) trans people should not be persecuted or have rights taken away. Other people feel strongly about aspects of this that to me are akin to arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Arguments about "What counts as an X" don't interest me.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I hate political partisan talk, which is all this is. At the same time I recognize the evil necessity of it. Intelligence must win, and whoever can convince the most people is the most intelligent and sees the biggest picture....hopefully. Therefore exaggerations sometimes must be fought with other exaggerations, although there is risk of losing arguments when your exaggerations get found out. In political fights you have to know how to get nasty. You cannot be a puritan. Rowling knows this, too. I think she is being treated unfairly but that all sides know it. It will blow over, and she'll be more popular than ever including with transexual persons. This kind of incendiary and semantically painful political talk is endemic and a necessity in public discourse.

I admit it would not be a necessity if some people were not trolls, but a troll is born every seventy-two seconds. Therefore a good politician must be skilled in evil speech. He or she must learn to give as good as gets, or the baddie will take advantage in debate. Angelic forms always hide daggers. In fact it is often wrongly asserted that all politicians and lawyers are bad.

They are not all bad, but you cannot tell. An evil can do good, and a good can do evil. The ones to worry about are weak willed, half hearted who believe they can win by a miraculous coincidence. Every inch of ground is only gained by cleverness.

It was an error to accuse Rowling but not necessarily an evil attempt. It was a mistake. She clearly believes in gay rights, doesn't drink blood and is somewhat cuddly.

It all comes to the freedom of thought, I guess.

As Voltaire said, "I don't agree with what you said, but I'll fight to death so you have the right to say it."

What does that mean?
There are two categories of people, in the political discourse.

1) The first category is outspoken and will never try to censor the political opponent, they disagree with.
2) The second category is politically correct and their life goal is to censor the people they disagree with. Their new motto, paraphrasing Voltaire, is: "I don't agree with what you said, that is why I will fight to death to prevent you from saying it".
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I was speaking of trans people, by the way, since JK Rowling was speaking of them. ;)
Admittedly I was being somewhat facetious. Sorry, I realise that might not always come across in text form lol


Ok, but the mother is the one who delivered the child.
The father is the one who contributed to the conception through his sperm.
That's my opinion...honestly.
Well I know some folks who only refer to their “birth mothers” as and I quote “glorified vehicles.”
For…various reasons let’s just say. So it can go either way, depending on the circumstance. If that makes sense?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
In general, wouldn’t we expect that people who stick to their principles should find that some people criticise them on one issue yet praise them on another?
Hmm perhaps.

I guess it kind of depends?

So speaking of Rowling specifically. Say you are criticising her fiction as luring kids into Satanism or witchcraft.
Thereby labelling her as an inherent bad influence for the youth.
Why then would you praise her simply because she is being criticised by her previous fans?
It doesn’t even have to be perceived transphobia. (Mostly because I’m not terribly familiar with the comments that got her “cancelled” lol. Just being honest.)

I dunno. It just seems like an inherent betrayal of one’s professed values to then embrace her merely because your apparent political opponents criticised her. You know?
It’s sort of like embracing an avowed socialist when you are against the philosophy, simply because of some bad PR and off color remakes they may have made publicly. Just seems…..weird, ya know?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Admittedly I was being somewhat facetious. Sorry, I realise that might not always come across in text form lol



Well I know some folks who only refer to their “birth mothers” as and I quote “glorified vehicles.”
For…various reasons let’s just say. So it can go either way, depending on the circumstance. If that makes sense?
I respect your opinion. :)
It was to show what things I and Rowling agree on.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
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Premium Member
I read it and didn't see a bias. It was pretty much a list of "here's what she did, and here are the objections to it". How is that bias?
Stuff like this,

'December 2019: Rowling stands with researcher who lost contract over transphobic statements.'

Is not exactly unbiased. They've already put in your head that the researcher is 'transphobic' and deserved the lost contract.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This doesn't exactly read like an unbiased account.
In the intro to Rollins Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Rollins says he doesn't try to hide his biases specifically because it would be best for us to know he is biased. I am undecided about his approach, but I do like to know what people think. Maybe the article isn't biased enough?

No I did not read it (Rollins). I only read the intro.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Stuff like this,

'December 2019: Rowling stands with researcher who lost contract over transphobic statements.'

Is not exactly unbiased. They've already put in your head that the researcher is 'transphobic' and deserved the lost contract.
There is no bias in reporting there. It's simply saying what happened.
 
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