Why has the status of women become so important in our age?

[Left Coast]

Did you know the USA under the Democrats is going to be one of the most communist nations on earth?

 

[Left Coast]

For the most part men and women have always had equal rights, except in respect of areas in which their biology is different.

Untrue, and that wasn't the question I asked. Should men and women have equal rights? If not, why not?

 

[eik]

Fine list the idols please.

I should say good Hi fi, records, music, bikes and women, although not necessarily in that order.

And remember, an idol is something that is worshipped, so tell me what idols I worship, since you claim to know so well.

Everyone has their own idols. If you claim to be free of idolatry, I suggest it's because you don't critque yourself very well (quite common with the left - they love to critique others but they cannot fault themselves),

And if you cannot, or if you get it wrong, then you perhaps ought to consider withdrawing the remark. Just out of "Christian decency," of course.

No I will not withdraw it. It's part of my theology that unbelievers are idolators. Of course I use "idol" in a general sense. It's whatever you lust after. For if you don't find fulfilment in spiritual things, then you will find it in the world.

1Jo 2:16
For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

 

[eik]

Untrue,

It's not untrue. Under the criminal law, women and men have generally always been treated equally.

and that wasn't the question I asked. Should men and women have equal rights? If not, why not?

I'm not getting into a political discussion with you.

 

[Left Coast]

It's not untrue. Under the criminal law, women and men have generally always been treated equally.

Women have been systematically discriminated against in many countries for centuries, from voting rights to property ownership rights to divorce to contraceptive access to access to higher education, on and on. Saudi Arabia just started letting women legally drive cars five minutes ago.

I'm not getting into a political discussion with you.

Good call.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I should say good Hi fi, records, music, bikes and women, although not necessarily in that order.


Everyone has their own idols. If you claim to be free of idolatry, I suggest it's because you don't critque yourself very well (quite common with the left - they love to critique others but they cannot fault themselves),


No I will not withdraw it. It's part of my theology that unbelievers are idolators. Of course I use "idol" in a general sense. It's whatever you lust after. For if you don't find fulfilment in spiritual things, then you will find it in the world.

1Jo 2:16
For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

Then I have to say that you have some very foolish notions. Enjoyment is not, never was and never will be anything like the same thing as "worship."

And again, who are you to make any claim whatever about how any other person may find "fulfillment?" From my point of view, saying that you "find fulfillment in spiritual things" is not in the slightest different from saying that you find it in imaginary things.

 

[SomeRandom]

Their intellects and their objects of vanity.

Ahh I see.
Sounds a lot like some pompous religious folk I have encountered.

 

[Polymath257]

if it's so horrific, why is the conviction rate for marital rape approximately 0%?

A persistent assumption that being married carries with it consent? A problem with he said/she said situations in law? Prosecutors who don't seek convictions on such? I can think of a LOT more reasons.

Always a question of degree. I think I said "apart from criminal acts" in my earlier posts, so I don't really know what point you're trying to make here.

Well, marital rape should be a crime. Beating someone senseless should be a crime.

There are crimes, and there are behaviours which do not amount to crimes. Thankfully under Christianity, some degree of right proportion is retain, unlike under communism.

Well, beating a partner should be a crime. If bruises are left, it is too much.

 

[Tambourine]

Oh, you mean the world was a better place when it used to worship the goddess? cf. Venus von Willendorf. I guess that being ruled by the goddess had its upside for women, but in the long run it didn't work out, as all the goddess worshippers got conquered, by the will of God.

You have a very poor understanding of pre-Christian religious practices, and pre-Christian history as a whole for that matter.

For the most part men and women have always had equal rights, except in respect of areas in which their biology is different.

Like voting, you mean?

 

[Polymath257]

It's not untrue. Under the criminal law, women and men have generally always been treated equally.
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Criminal law? They have been denied the right to speak in court. They have been denied the right to face their accusers. They have been denied the right to have violence against them charged in a court of law.

But you neglect all the other aspects of law: They have been denied the right to vote. They have been denied the right to own property. They have been denied the right to get an education (unlike men of equal rank). They have been denied jobs (reserved for men). Their rights have typically been limited to what their husbands or fathers gave them.

The list goes on and on. That you refuse to see these injustices for what they are is, truthfully, scary.

 

[Milton Platt]

Why, after thousands of years of oppression of women, has suddenly, man himself, began to champion her rights of equality? Even in the Bible there are passages forbidding women to openly speak, yet today, women’s rights are at the forefront of human rights battles.

Why this sudden change of heart towards women?

Morality is evolving. We are getting away from religious dogmatism.

 

[Aupmanyav]

There have been always disbelievers. There has never been a Prophet or a Manifestation who people in His time did not rejected Him, and or did not called Him liar.

Whether it is existence of God and claims of being a prophet, no one has ever proved that or gave any evidence.

 

[Quintessence]

Morality is evolving. We are getting away from religious dogmatism.

Eh, we're technically just replacing one type of religious dogmatism with another. It requires a particularly intense zeal (aka, religiousness) to champion the abstract concepts which get codified into law (aka, dogma). Really getting away from it would require we all simply be unprincipled and lawless, which doesn't seem to be the way things are heading at this time.

 

[Gandalf]

Religion grew out of ignorance and that is where they remain. Religions shape our worldview and by mere nature of being old and following scholastic learning tend to codify bad ideas that get echoed throughout the generation to come.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

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Ha! My wife and I had a discussion on this the other day while watching a tv segment. The story was suggesting that women are better leaders, because countries led by female politicians have been doing better overall than those led my males.
I figured it wasn't that females were 'better', per se, but might be to do with the fact that for a woman to become leader she probably needs to be clearly better than those around her. You end up with fewer 'poor' female leaders because they are judged more harshly in terms of ultimate leadership positions.

Meh, all subjective, but that kinda feeds to what you're suggesting here.

@adrian009 tagging you in, since you made comment on women leaders being 'better' in your post. Interested in your thoughts on my post.

 

[blü 2]

Why, after thousands of years of oppression of women, has suddenly, man himself, began to champion her rights of equality? Even in the Bible there are passages forbidding women to openly speak, yet today, women’s rights are at the forefront of human rights battles.

Why this sudden change of heart towards women?

There were women's rights movements in the US and Britain for roughly the last 2/3rds of the 19th century ─ Susan B. Anthony and Emmaline Pankhurst are two names that come to mind ─ which secured the right for women to vote at various times in the US states and nationally in 1920, and in England partially in 1918 and fully in 1928. Not irrelevant in the background were women in the manufacturing workforce in both WW1 and WW2, which gave many women their first taste of financial independence, though in both cases at the end of hostilities priority in civilian employment was given to men returning from military service, a fact not universally welcomed by women.

A major turning point came in the 1950s with the contraceptive pill, giving women control of their own fertility. That it was major is reflected in the cultural eruptions of the Swingin' 60's.

And it's gone on from there.

The job isn't finished. Many churches still teach the Kinder, Küche, Kirche outlook, and some subsets of Western societies, often portrayed as lower on the socio-economic scale but not always so, hold illiberal views on the status of women.

My life includes my mother, two sisters, my wife, my daughter and my granddaughter, and I'm strongly in favor of women's rights.

 

[eik]

Criminal law? They have been denied the right to speak in court. They have been denied the right to face their accusers. They have been denied the right to have violence against them charged in a court of law.

All these generalizations are water off a ducks back. The same equally applies to men, who have been discriminated against under the law at many times, e.g. in respect of employment rights. In the UK up until the end of WWII, and in the USA even today in some states like Virginia, there are still no employment rights.

But you neglect all the other aspects of law: They have been denied the right to vote. They have been denied the right to own property. They have been denied the right to get an education (unlike men of equal rank). They have been denied jobs (reserved for men). Their rights have typically been limited to what their husbands or fathers gave them.

Given that educational places have always been limited throughout most of history, due to economics and the need to prioritize it to those who would make the best use of it, I am afraid your allegation is really that poverty has oft times not allowed for the education that one would desire. That applies equally to males. However women have never been entirely denied education. In fact they are been taught at home, by private tutors etc.

Why should women owning property be an entitlement when most of the poor could not own property?

You fail to place your claims of oppression in the historical context to which they pertain, where due to the constraints of poverty, disease and war etc, males were equally discriminated against.

The list goes on and on. That you refuse to see these injustices for what they are is, truthfully, scary.

BS from one brought up on and likely hooked on feminist propaganda.

 

[eik]

Then I have to say that you have some very foolish notions. Enjoyment is not, never was and never will be anything like the same thing as "worship."

Well the apostle would chose to differ:

2 Tim 3:1 "But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, 4traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!"​

And again, who are you to make any claim whatever about how any other person may find "fulfillment?" From my point of view, saying that you "find fulfillment in spiritual things" is not in the slightest different from saying that you find it in imaginary things.

Of course I don't claim to be a paragon or anything. However on this issue I must refer you to the teachings of Christianity. As Christ said, you either spend your life accumulating treasure in heaven, or you accumulate it elsewhere. It's an either / or alternative.

 

[eik]

Women have been systematically discriminated against in many countries for centuries, from voting rights to property ownership rights to divorce to contraceptive access to access to higher education, on and on.

It's why the world slipped up many centuries ago, at the time of the mongol conquests in the 12th century, by failing to eliminate Islam when it had the chance.

Saudi Arabia just started letting women legally drive cars five minutes ago.
Good call.

Why is that inherently bad? Being chauffeured is much more pleasant than having to drive oneself. I know that because a female director of a company I used to work for liked being driven around in her chauffeur driven mercedes.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Why, after thousands of years of oppression of women, has suddenly, man himself, began to champion her rights of equality? Even in the Bible there are passages forbidding women to openly speak, yet today, women’s rights are at the forefront of human rights battles.

Why this sudden change of heart towards women?

Maybe men have finally realized that He can not live without a woman
There is always a great woman behind every man......