why homosexualy and homosexual marriage is so wrong

[truthofscripture]

I research it plenty honestly enough, thank you very much.

Then you are familiar with the scriptures that say that no one can understand the scriptures without God sending holy spirit so that one can understand what they're reading, and that without that help, it's impossible to understand the scriptures.

 

[Marisa]

Then you are familiar with the scriptures that say that no one can understand the scriptures without God sending holy spirit so that one can understand what they're reading, and that without that help, it's impossible to understand the scriptures.

And there's the confirmation that you'll accept nothing but your belief regarding the text as having studied and understood them. Thanks for playing "Name Your Self Validation", what's up next?

 

[LuisDantas]

Then you are familiar with the scriptures that say that no one can understand the scriptures without God sending holy spirit so that one can understand what they're reading, and that without that help, it's impossible to understand the scriptures.

I have heard of that. Which is as good a reason as any for me not to bother with the whole package.

 

[McBell]

No, it doesn't confirm a single thing that you falsely claim.

Ignorance, denial, or perhaps both?

It DOES confirm my love for Jehovah God and willingness to do His will.

Only in your own mind

 

[Shad]

Then you are familiar with the scriptures that say that no one can understand the scriptures without God sending holy spirit so that one can understand what they're reading, and that without that help, it's impossible to understand the scriptures.

Thus having a discussion with anyone not privy to the holy spirit is pointless by your own argument

/End thread

 

[truthofscripture]

And there's the confirmation that you'll accept nothing but your belief regarding the text as having studied and understood them. Thanks for playing "Name Your Self Validation", what's up next?

No, that's certainly not true and you're not being very nice. The scriptures tell us that Satan is keeping a veil between us and our understanding of the scriptures. When Jehovah sees an honest heart and an honest desire to know about Him, and to draw close to Him, He sends holy spirit to lift that veil for us. Your view seems to me to be one of choosing what to believe and what not to believe with regards God's word. That's not honest.

 

[truthofscripture]

Thus having a discussion with anyone not privy to the holy spirit is pointless by your own argument

/End thread

Not true. Helping one to achieve an honest desire to know God and His word is something I strive to do. It is a requirement of being a Christian as Jesus taught. It's apparently not a requirement of being part of Christendom though.

 

[Marisa]

No, that's certainly not true and you're not being very nice. The scriptures tell us that Satan is keeping a veil between us and our understanding of the scriptures. When Jehovah sees an honest heart and an honest desire to know about Him, and to draw close to Him, He sends holy spirit to lift that veil for us. Your view seems to me to be one of choosing what to believe and what not to believe with regards God's word. That's not honest.

I don't see how you can possibly ascertain that my view is exclusionary when I offered you an opportunity to educate yourself and you rejected it. Take a look at my signature. Don't think for a moment that I don't know what you're doing. You set the bar at "let's be dismissive", not me. I just met it. I'm sorry that doesn't work for you. Intellectual honesty is something that I prize very highly, and you don't have it.

 

[truthofscripture]

I don't see how you can possibly ascertain that my view is exclusionary when I offered you an opportunity to educate yourself and you rejected it. Take a look at my signature. Don't think for a moment that I don't know what you're doing. You set the bar at "let's be dismissive", not me. I just met it. I'm sorry that doesn't work for you. Intellectual honesty is something that I prize very highly, and you don't have it.

And I explained to you that anyone giving themselves the title of reverend is seeking their own glory. In the scriptures, the only one ever referred to as revered was Jehovah God. So, anyone with that title on Earth has nothing to say that is valid and worth reading as far as I am concerned, and as far as God is concerned. Now you are being nasty because I give glory only to Jehovah, and I do His will. So be it. Have a nice life.

 

[Vidarsdottir]

I think "helping" is the key word there. You cannot "help" anyone if your deity does not desire them to be helped. He is the one who has told you over and over again to leave those who do not want to be bothered alone. He will deal with them. Furthermore, Romans tells us that he has trapped all in disobedience/disbelief (depending on translation) so he can be merciful to ALL. What you are doing when you are 'helping' is teaching people to ignore the 5Ws when reading so they come across with your point of view. If you cannot do this you are maybe even bearing bad fruit by irritating those your deity has "trapped in disobedience" with silliness such as doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it told you to do in the first place - leave those others to him.

Conduct yourself with the love, mercy and grace of Christ with those outside your faith - just like he did - and save the "grrrrumble, rumble - I'm right!" for those within it - just like he did. Or as some of us Heathens may say "just be Honorable about it, k?"

 

[Marisa]

And I explained to you that anyone giving themselves the title of reverend is seeking their own glory.

That's rich, coming from one who claims to have the only true understanding.

So, anyone with that title on Earth has nothing to say that is valid and worth reading as far as I am concerned, and as far as God is concerned.

Anyone who is so dismissive of the thoughts and opinions of his fellow humans has nothing to say that's worth reading, as far as I am concerned. So there. You dismiss them, I dismiss you. We're both fairly small-minded for having done so.

Now you are being nasty because I give glory only to Jehovah, and I do His will. So be it. Have a nice life.

You can do that and still maintain intellectually honest discourse. But to do so, you're going to have to refrain from arrogantly dismissing other's comments and opinions. Nasty is as nasty does.

 

[McBell]

No, that's certainly not true and you're not being very nice. The scriptures tell us that Satan is keeping a veil between us and our understanding of the scriptures. When Jehovah sees an honest heart and an honest desire to know about Him, and to draw close to Him, He sends holy spirit to lift that veil for us. Your view seems to me to be one of choosing what to believe and what not to believe with regards God's word. That's not honest.

Oh gee!
can I join your elitist club?
Can I?
Pretty pretty please?!

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Haven't we already reminded you of why your fears are unfounded?

"We all" are not homosexual, simple as that.

There is no realistic scenario when heterosexuals become so rare as to make population levels unsustainable..

Heard a rumor this was what happened to the do-do.
However extreme is the only grounds I can find to give any kind of support to the OP when all said and done its not really the way nature intended.
A different subject however i have some antinatalist beliefs as in prevention better than a cure i do not fear extinction).

 

[truthofscripture]

That's rich, coming from one who claims to have the only true understanding.


Anyone who is so dismissive of the thoughts and opinions of his fellow humans has nothing to say that's worth reading, as far as I am concerned. So there. You dismiss them, I dismiss you. We're both fairly small-minded for having done so.


You can do that and still maintain intellectually honest discourse. But to do so, you're going to have to refrain from arrogantly dismissing other's comments and opinions. Nasty is as nasty does.

It is apparent that honest discourse is beyond your abilities, and that ever drawing close to our God and creator is equally as beyond your desires, so please stop posting to my comments. You have no desire to learn anything about Him, and I have no desire to discuss this with anyone who cannot honestly debate and refrain from denegration. So once again, please stop posting to my comments or I shall be forced to add you to my ignore list.

 

[truthofscripture]

I think "helping" is the key word there. You cannot "help" anyone if your deity does not desire them to be helped. He is the one who has told you over and over again to leave those who do not want to be bothered alone. He will deal with them. Furthermore, Romans tells us that he has trapped all in disobedience/disbelief (depending on translation) so he can be merciful to ALL. What you are doing when you are 'helping' is teaching people to ignore the 5Ws when reading so they come across with your point of view. If you cannot do this you are maybe even bearing bad fruit by irritating those your deity has "trapped in disobedience" with silliness such as doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it told you to do in the first place - leave those others to him.

Conduct yourself with the love, mercy and grace of Christ with those outside your faith - just like he did - and save the "grrrrumble, rumble - I'm right!" for those within it - just like he did. Or as some of us Heathens may say "just be Honorable about it, k?"

On the contrary. If one desires to be close to Jehovah, then It is my duty to refrain from stopping them, and I will help as I am able. If one has no desire to be helped to grow close to God, it is quite evident and I wouldn't even attempt to help them. And what are the "5Ws"? And He is not "my deity". I do not own another. He is our creator and sovereign ruler of the universe. We are all here as a result of His efforts. Your refusing to accept that fact changes nothing, except your possible eternal life in a paradise Earth. You can be heathen all you want, but we really have nothing to discuss, so please stop posting to my comments.

 

[Marisa]

It is apparent that honest discourse is beyond your abilities,

No dear, it's not. It does, however, appear to be beyond yours. Remember, I (as well as others) am the one who offered actual evidence that the bible has been used to support slavery because of the fact that the bible supports slavery and you rejected it without even bothering to read it. That, my friend, is the very definition of "dishonest". You can make believe that I'm some mean old lady on the internet if it makes you feel better, it does me no harm. But the facts of the matter remain unchanged.

so please stop posting to my comments. .>> or I shall be forced to add you to my ignore list.

You do whatever you feel like you have to do in order to preserve your chosen world view. I, and only I, will decide which comments I respond to. While we're on the subject of exercising self control, you go on ahead and feel perfectly entitled to cease responding to my comments at any time you feel it's in your best interests, okay?

 

[truthofscripture]

No dear, it's not. It does, however, appear to be beyond yours. Remember, I (as well as others) am the one who offered actual evidence that the bible has been used to support slavery because of the fact that the bible supports slavery and you rejected it without even bothering to read it. That, my friend, is the very definition of "dishonest". You can make believe that I'm some mean old lady on the internet if it makes you feel better, it does me no harm. But the facts of the matter remain unchanged.


You do whatever you feel like you have to do in order to preserve your chosen world view. I, and only I, will decide which comments I respond to. While we're on the subject of exercising self control, you go on ahead and feel perfectly entitled to cease responding to my comments at any time you feel it's in your best interests, okay?

It appears that you do not understand when someone asks you to stop bothering them. So to the ignore list with you.

 

[Marisa]

It appears that you do not understand when someone asks you to stop bothering them. So to the ignore list with you.

It's probably for the best. I'd hate for you to have to exercise self control.

 

[Vidarsdottir]

The 5Ws, along with horizontal readings of repeated texts is how you learn to read the bible in a mainline protestant seminary. You pay attention to Who, What, Where, Why and When and answer those questions about each and every thing in each and every bit using both the bible and secular historical documents. What you learn when you study the bible with a group or in church is called 'devotional' and it is a way to teach the bible that leaves no room for anything other than that particular group's teachings, which handily cuts out the parts of their own book they don't like while the lay person is none the wiser to this deception. This is why we now have Christians running around suing and passing laws for the right to treat other people worse than the average Satanist would. Which is the exact opposite of what the bible tells you to do. I'm pretty sure the whole 'don't help the other teams look better than us' is a tad irritating to your detiy as well. That's not good.

I have no idea what they're teaching at the Kingdom Hall these days - or wherever you're attending your devotionals - but please remember that YOU speak for god. We are ALL ambassadors for our own concept of divine, so when you get mad, as people do, because you are being challenged about how very not correct from a strictly biblical standpoint when read from the PROPER view rather than the devotional view you may be, or because someone else is being surly with you, you bring your own deity down a bit more when you react badly.

No one likes feeling as if they're being cornered, but you're taking your deity to the corner with you when maybe you shouldn't. Maybe, just maybe, instead of yammering about ignore lists your god would like you to shut up and LEARN something. It put you in that spot for a reason and if you feel the reason is so you can put your fingers in your ears and 'lalalalala' when your faulty ambassadorship is challenged, well, that speaks volumes about your deity, doesn't it? I don't recall reading those volumes, but hey - it's your personal relationship, your devotional readings and your spiritual path - not mine.

 

[dgirl1986]

People who are supposed to be against homosexuality need to stop obsessing over how we have sex. Seriously.