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Why I am an Ahmadi Muslim?
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DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you. Welcome....Can you explain, if possible, why and how you became Ahmadiyya Muslim? And how you convey the message to local people?
JazakAllah.
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Marcus 17'17
We are the manifestation of God's intention.
where does Revelation occur ? is it in a book or word or place, Revelation can only occur in the unified Heart and mind of the sentient being. All else is a gift of learning towards seeing and understanding the human heart and mind in all of its golory. The son of God is you. Are you a book or a heart. was Jesus God ??
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
Since I saw your question as fresh, taking liberty to answer:
1=Revelation in Islam is basic concept, through which Allah communicates with His creation.
Allah talks with His servant in real time or true dreams can be shown or visions (scene in waking) can be shown etc .
Modes of revelation are mentioned in Holy Quran.
2=The revelations of Ahmadiyya Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) were only subservient to Holy Quran, and he did not bring any new Shariah.
You can read them here:
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Tadhkirah.pdf
3=You might want to get following answers too:
"The Nature of Revelation
WHAT IS REVELATION? Is revelation merely a term used to describe the conscious or subconscious exploration of one's inner world, or is its source an external being, whose knowledge transcends that of humans?"
Ref: https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_4_section_1.html
4=Son of God is idiom for righteous people.....Jesus (on whom be peace) was not God or part of God in any way
DIVINITY @ https://www.alislam.org/library/books/biblical/chapter_1.html
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mohammadshiamuslim
Member
ok.
we dont believe to khilafah.we believe to Imamat.
difference between these is that we believe that who rules islamic states should determine by God.
please read story of Ghdir al Khum.
we have verses from holy Quran that point to this adventure.
يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ وَاللّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ (مائده 67(
mohammadshiamuslim
Member
ok my friend.
i want to write this article soon.
its about verses that point to Imam Ali in Quran from sunnies soures just.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
mohammadshiamuslim said: ↑
no my brother.
between they are very difference.
in Quran our Hadith is any name from Mirza Ghulam?
we have many verses and hadith that says Ali is successor of Muhammad of muhammad.
paarsurrey said: ↑
Please just quote one verse where Ali is mentioned by name in Quran.
Regards
I asked about the "name" of Ali having been mentioned in the Quran since one asked me "name" of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad having been mentioned in the Quran. No need to give "verses that point to Imam Ali" because I believe in Ali as a Caliph/Successor of Muhammad like I believe in Abu Baker, Omar,Uthman and in the latter days Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Imam- Mahdi. The Successor of Muhammad are all pointed out in the verse:
Regards
no my brother.
between they are very difference.
in Quran our Hadith is any name from Mirza Ghulam?
we have many verses and hadith that says Ali is successor of Muhammad of muhammad.
paarsurrey said: ↑
Please just quote one verse where Ali is mentioned by name in Quran.
Regards
ok my friend.
i want to write this article soon.
its about verses that point to Imam Ali in Quran from sunnies soures just.
I asked about the "name" of Ali having been mentioned in the Quran since one asked me "name" of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad having been mentioned in the Quran. No need to give "verses that point to Imam Ali" because I believe in Ali as a Caliph/Successor of Muhammad like I believe in Abu Baker, Omar,Uthman and in the latter days Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Imam- Mahdi. The Successor of Muhammad are all pointed out in the verse:
[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=24&verse=56
Their proper names are not required in Quran as Quran is not a book/recitation of names. All truthful prophets/messengers/successors of Muhammad are also included in the title Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen, and are certified to be truthful under his seal as he is the Seal of Prophets, no prophet/messenger/successor/imam could come in the past from the time of Adam to date without the seal/stamp of Muhammad as a certificate of his truthfulness.http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=24&verse=56
Regards
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@paarsurrey Mirza was not his successor. Muhammad is the greatest prophet, and the greatest man to ever exist.
Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.
Now tell me what do you believe in more the Qur'an or hadith? A complete divine book or a man-made?
Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.
Now tell me what do you believe in more the Qur'an or hadith? A complete divine book or a man-made?
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Sakeenah
Well-Known Member
Peace be upon you,
Thanks for sharing this with us. I read about ahmadiyyah, I also read some of your posts in regards to mirza ghulam ahmed. Personally I don't like division within the muslim ummah but I read mirza's work and I do believe certain teachings of mirza go against the basic foundations of Islam.That doesn't mean I'm going to make takfiir I'm not qualified to do so. Would you mind if we discuss those issues in this thread.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Yes, of course, we could discuss things pertaining to religion in this forum. I have no claims to any scholarship or piety. I am just an ordinary person on the street treading on the right and truthful path and listening to others for still more truth. The quest for Truth is unending and one has to do it with and open mind. If one does not listen to Truth one only harms one's own self and none else. I will answer the questions if I know the answer, else somebody else on this forum will happily answer from amongst the followers of a religion or no religion. The forum is open to everybody, no restrictions on any body to express his arguments/feelings and world-view.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus was never a god in literal and physical terms. OT Bible says that all Jews are sons of G-d, since Jesus was a Jew and followed Torah so in the sense of the OT Bible he could have said that but he never meant that literally or physically. Jesus created nothing new, everything already existed, so he could not reasonably claim a god-head as it will be too loose on his head.
Revelation occurs on the heart of a person who is bestowed with this characteristic. Moses, Zoroaster, Muhammad (and many other prophets/messenger) and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad received Word of Revelation from G-d. We have got Word of Revelation from Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in very clear terms, the former dictated whatever Revelation he received and the later wrote himself whatever was Revealed to him and the mode as to how it was done.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
We Ahmadiyya do believe in Quran:
(33:40:11) wakhātama and Seal مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَٰكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَالنَّبِيِّينَ
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=xtm
[33:41] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=33&verse=41
Yes, I believe in Quran- the 100% accurate Word revealed in Arabic on Muhammad.
Quran is the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam/Muhammad whatever the denomination of Muslims.
I also believe in Sunnah of Muhammad. All acts done by Muhammad for which there was a commandment in Quran to do periodically meaning daily, weekly or yearly etc and which were performed by Muhammad on these set periods and he fixed in his life his followers on them and told them to perform them as such were Sunnah. Sunnah existed with Quran and is not separate from Quran. Sunnah is the second source of guidance.
Hadith is the third source of guidance, it was collected 250/300 after Muhammad so it is to be accepted if it does not contradict Quran, else, it will be interpreted in a way that it conforms the Quran. If it cannot be interpreted in such a way, then it will not be accepted.
This is in brief.
Regards
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@paarsurrey It cannot truly be interpreted in such a way, it is just a belief that Ahmadi's have come up with. Qur'an prohibits sects, and if you are to say that Hadith says Girza is greater than prophet then you are saying it contradicts the Qur'an. Listen brother i in no way degrade Ahmadi's but when the truth is faced, it is the truth. Ahmadi's change the interpretation to make it fit and tamper with the Qur'an and in some cases Hadith. So, Mirza was not the successor of Muhammad S.A.W.S but he was under him. Muhammad is the greatest prophet and the greatest person to ever exist.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a successor of Muhammad and under Muhammad, he never claimed to be greater than Muhammad. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad followed Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad and brought no new book.
"Muhammad is the greatest prophet and the greatest person to ever exist"
Yes, I agree with the above.
Regards
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
So, why you say before you believe he is Muhammad successor, you now believe he is not. And why did you not answer my other question. Qur'an prohibits sects. If you point out any verse where Qur'an allows sects, i will become a Ahmadi today. Listen, there is only one true type of Muslims just Muslims.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has not created any division in the Ummah and the humanity, he is rather a symbol of peace and unity for the Muslims and also for other religions and the humanity at large.
Regards
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@paarsurrey I am saying the difference of belief in Ahmadi is not the truth, it is a different sect. Making different sects in Islam is prohibited, it is not the true way of life completely.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
Ahmadis believe they are total Islam compared to others as they believe decree of Allah and Holy Prophet (saw) about latter days of weakness has been fulfilled as promised servant of Islam has come.
When this question was faced by a new commer, how he tackled:
"The division of Muslims into different sects annoyed me very much. I did not approve of what they were doing. I could see that Muslims were not practising the true Islam which was described in the Holy Quran and that they were giving a very bad impression about their religion presenting it as a religion of terrorism and bloodshed.................It was the month of Ramadhan and Allah the Gracious was very quick to answer this prayer because a non-Ahmadi Muslim colleague at work happened to notice my interest in preaching Islam to others and hence he mentioned that he knew about a sect of Islam, called Ahmadiyyat, whose followers also preach Islam, but they believe in a Prophet who came to the world after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him. I thought that this is yet another sect of Islam which went totally wrong. I was interested, however, to know more about it so that I could understand why people strayed away from their true religion......."
More @ https://www.alislam.org/library/links/accept.html
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
That is true.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Why I am an Ahmadi Muslim?
Another aspect of my being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim is that my religion does not interfere with the secular sciences/applied-sciences and leaves these fields open to query, search and research. The truthful prophecies and signs are there and get fulfilled for sure, yet these are expressed in general terms not in the language of the specific sciences. It does not hinder the sciences to remedy the issues as per their own dictates/disciplines. My religion is concerned to the ethical, moral and spiritual aspects of the issues which fall outside the domain of sciences.
Regards
Another aspect of my being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim is that my religion does not interfere with the secular sciences/applied-sciences and leaves these fields open to query, search and research. The truthful prophecies and signs are there and get fulfilled for sure, yet these are expressed in general terms not in the language of the specific sciences. It does not hinder the sciences to remedy the issues as per their own dictates/disciplines. My religion is concerned to the ethical, moral and spiritual aspects of the issues which fall outside the domain of sciences.
Regards